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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:27 pm 
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I went to the Sub Dr. today a new dr not my pain management specialist because she doesnt deal with dependency addiction issues. Anyway story is the Dr. said that I never should have quit taking the sub in December cold turkey and that I needed to take 24mg a day. I had been on between 2=4mg or so day from my pain management dr trying to get all of the methadone out of my system. Anyway I am really confused and feel something s very off. He said that I wasnt sick because of suboxone withdrawal. He said the reason I was so sick was because of the years I spent on methadone and other opiates prior to getting on suboxone this past august. for those that dont know I went cold turkey off December17th a monday. This new Sub Dr. said I need to be on sub for 60 percent of the time I was on other opiates to allow my brain to heal. He also said that I wasnt on enough of a sub dose. I got along fine for the most part on 4mg a day for several months. He is saying that my opiate receptors he said there were 4 MU receptor a mu-a a mu-b etc. anyways he kept me there for over 2 hours and said Igot sick from methadone and everything else that if I had just stayed on suboxone and allowed my brain to heal i would be fine....i mean this is not what i have learned from reading the boards and this forum. I was off of sub for almost a month and had no drive. I was so afraid to take suboxone because i didnt sleep for almost 12 days that i started taking 20mg of hydrocodone a day...i was so afraid to take sub again. I am freaking out now. I havent filled my script. I am going to call my pain management dr monday and ask for a referrall. There is no way in my head why i should be on anymore than2-4mg of sub a day. he wanted me to take 8mg it seemed like right there if he had lhis way. I took 3mg yesterday and 4mg of sub today 2mg in the morning and 2mg after the appointment I was shaking so bad. I want my life back and I want to taper slowly off the sub.....But he would only write me a scrip for 8mg strips and wants me to take them 3 times a day. I have never taken more than4-5mg of sub in a day.....I feel like I was buying a used car or a bill of goods but with my life....I am not a Dr. I know he is....but I think I need to see a new Dr. This Dr. was so insistent and pushy and basically told me I would have to be on subs for at least 4 years. Than they gave me a drug test and said that if I couldnt afford it which I cant right now because it will cost $175 not to pay it and they will mark it down to $99 and than if i dont pay it they will send me 2 bills but that it wont go on my credit report or goto collections....I mean everything was very odd..Im so confused but by taking 4mg of sub today after taking 2mg yesterday and taking 20mg of norco the past week....I am so upset if I got my tolerance down so low and worked so hard i just couldnt handle the depression and pain and lack of motivation...honestly i wouldnt have been able to go back to school.....Im sorry i am rambling i am so upset....i need to find a DR who will listen to me and help me rather than just write me script.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:28 am 
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Does he have to know how much Sub you're taking?

Look at it this way. While I'm not a fan of suggesting people go against their doctors wishes. If you want to get off Sub, all you'd need to do is see this doctor for a couple of months and you'll have ample Sub to spread out to do your own taper! With the aid of all us medical professionals ( ;) ) at suboxforum of course.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:26 am 
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i even told him i was so afraid to get back on it that i had been taking 20mg of norco/hydrocodone a day for a few days because my tolerance was so low now. He twisted my words and said i relapsed....i mean the guy literally said there is no withdrawal from suboxone,....that it was all related to methadone habit and that i needed to be on for 4 years...it was weird


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Sounds like a dickhead. It really annoys me that some doctors still tell people that. Many people can end up on Suboxone who wouldn't have if they really knew.

It may hark back to addiction days ... but I'd just see him as a walking script pad for the moment :)


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Wow... People like this boil my blood. I've got to agree with TeeJay, see this guy for three or four months, stockpile your meds, and just keep tapering down as you have been. A few months from now you'll have plenty of medication to taper off, and you will only be out 3-4 months of fees for seeing this quack as opposed to 6 months or a years worth. You'll be ok in the end.


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Scorpioti - trust your gut. You did well on 2-4mg after you got off methadone, and then you were essentially OFF completely for aver a month. How in HELL could you need 24 mg/day? And all the BS about letting the receptors "heal" totally goes against what Dr. J wrote about how your receptors totally regenerate after you go off Sub. Couple that with him bringing up your credit report - and ??? None of it makes any sense.
Also, you have been taking 20 mg Norco. Sub doses of 4mg and above = 80 mg Norco. So why would you want to quadruple your tolerance after everything you have gone through to get to this point? I would taper off the Norco if at all possible. If the Norco becomes an issue for you, then by all means go back on a LOW dose of Sub. It sounds like you wanted to get the 2 mg strips. If this doc won't help just do the best you can cutting down the 8 mg strips until you can find a reasonable doctor.
Did you have any luck calling the pain management doctor back?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:47 pm 
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I am going to call her tomorrow. Because of the weekend i missed her friday. I have been subsisting the past 2 days on 1mg of sub a day....i tried quitting the norcos c/t but i forgot how awful and intense true opiate wd is...i need to suck it up....i think i am going to have to quit this semester. everything is just so out of sorts since i got kicked out....depression lack of a stable place to crash....loss of my fiancee.....i need to get better for me....
thanks to all of you guys so far with the advice.. i will let you know what pain management dr says.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:44 pm 
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she wrote me a script for 15 2mg strips and reccomended a psycho therapist...I am so confused. I mean I feel like i am at a loss. I lost my fiancee again today or ex fiancee. She wont support me if I dont goto the psycho therapist.....Im s confused I almost feel like its a scam its $350 for the first session and $200 every week for the other sessions. But they would tell me much about him....Other than he can get me off sub...But than what....Im on my own I have made myself the victim and my whole world is in flux right now. I love her so much and Im heartbroken but my faith in everything is shaken right now.


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