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I really need help with this. I've been on suboxone for almost 7 years and on a high does of benzo since my father passed in 03. I actually went to crossroads facility in tijuana and one doc said to wean down to 8 mg. then switch to a morphine prescription they gave me for 20 days. I also duno if that's the best place for me to go because it is so costly and it seemed they had never dealt with anyone on the amount of bupe. I was on at the time wich was 24mg. and 6 mg.s klonopin trying to switch off of Xanax. I am also on 1 mg. of Xanax still as well trying to taper off that so I'll just b on 6 mg of klononpin. Anyway I've managed to wean down to between 8 and 12 mg.s of bupe. I've been miserable for quite a long time, long before my taper started. I never truly feel well. I always feel like I'm in really mild withdrawal which makes things extremely hard with all the pressures I am dealing with. My mother had a stroke wen I was 16 months, making me an only child and when my father died I had to move back in to help her as much as I could. At that time I was still on methadone an really not trying to get clean. Finally after a bad accident where I almost died on my 30th birthday I went into detox for the benzos. At that point I was taking between 8 and 12 mg.s of Xanax just to get thru the day. Needless to say they detoxed me n 7 days an sent me on my way which didn't work so well, I managed to withstand 6 wk.s of that hell and stupidly went back to the same dose. So over the years it had been Bak n forth, up n down with the benzos while steadily on a heavy 24 mg. Dose of bupe. I am 37 years old and really at my wits end. My mother is now in a nursing home for the past 3 years and will not b coming home, her dementia is getting worse an I feel like I am as well. I just want my only family being my mother n her sister, my loving aunt, who is my support and I probably wouldn't b alive without her, or either of them because I know it'd kill my mother if I were to do something as stupid as to take my own life. I just want my mother to c me off these horrible meds and living a normal happy life, something she has never seen an always wanted. I quit drinking about 4 years ago an haven't abused any of my med since I got out of detox n went to a Dr I met there to get on suboxone who got his license suspended during my switch from Xanax to klononpin to try an get down on those benzos as well. It actually sped things up as far as me checking out a ibogaine facility in mexico. Their asking $8ooo to do this an money is a big issue for me, its over $7000 a month to keep my mother where she is and my aunt and I split that, their is no other money from anywhere else. I was saving to get a vehicle an possibly move out of the depressing house I live and grew up in that has so many memories but I know I need to get this done before I can b happy anywhere else, so this is what I am putting my life savings towards, hopefully a new and better happy life. I just want to b free from these meds and have lost just about all trust n u.s. drs. Could anyone recommend a good place for me to go that maybe cheaper as well as tell me the best way to go about this? I have 30mg. Tablets of morphine, supposed to take 2 four times a day, wen I get down far enough and switch from the subs, but as I said one Dr being the ibogaine Dr, said to wean to 8 mg then switch. The other who prescribed said 16mg. was fine and I found the equivelancy chart on line wich says the amount of morphine prescribed was equivalent to 4mg.s of bupe. Also will ibogaine help with any paws from benzos. I am having. This is the first time I've tried one of these sites an really don't know if I'm going about it the right way but I truly hope someone who can help me sees this. I can't even visit my mother right now because I am so stressed and feel horrible. I don't want her to see me in anymore pain, she has to much of her own already. Thanks for reading and I'm sure I left a lot out but will answer anything that will help me thru this. I'm just ready to get to where I need to be so I can undergo treatment an learn what it is to have a real life. I started using at age 15 but didn't become physically addicted until 22 so I don't think I've ever truly known what living really is. I beg of any help and guidance I can get to hurry this process up. I'm starting to get scared I don't have much longer before the inevitable happens to my mother and it's eating me apart inside. Please help me with this treatment and help me to do it right and as fast as I can like I already stated I am literally at my wits end and I believe ibogaine could b just what I need because of other psychological issues as well. Thanks in advance.... wanaliveagain


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I really need help with this. I've been on suboxone for almost 7 years and on a high does of benzo since my father passed in 03. I actually went to crossroads facility in tijuana and one doc said to wean down to 8 mg. then switch to a morphine prescription they gave me for 20 days. I also duno if that's the best place for me to go because it is so costly and it seemed they had never dealt with anyone on the amount of bupe. I was on at the time wich was 24mg. and 6 mg.s klonopin trying to switch off of Xanax. I am also on 1 mg. of Xanax still as well trying to taper off that so I'll just b on 6 mg of klononpin. Anyway I've managed to wean down to between 8 and 12 mg.s of bupe. I've been miserable for quite a long time, long before my taper started. I never truly feel well. I always feel like I'm in really mild withdrawal which makes things extremely hard with all the pressures I am dealing with. My mother had a stroke wen I was 16 months, making me an only child and when my father died I had to move back in to help her as much as I could. At that time I was still on methadone an really not trying to get clean. Finally after a bad accident where I almost died on my 30th birthday I went into detox for the benzos. At that point I was taking between 8 and 12 mg.s of Xanax just to get thru the day. Needless to say they detoxed me n 7 days an sent me on my way which didn't work so well, I managed to withstand 6 wk.s of that hell and stupidly went back to the same dose. So over the years it had been Bak n forth, up n down with the benzos while steadily on a heavy 24 mg. Dose of bupe. I am 37 years old and really at my wits end. My mother is now in a nursing home for the past 3 years and will not b coming home, her dementia is getting worse an I feel like I am as well. I just want my only family being my mother n her sister, my loving aunt, who is my support and I probably wouldn't b alive without her, or either of them because I know it'd kill my mother if I were to do something as stupid as to take my own life. I just want my mother to c me off these horrible meds and living a normal happy life, something she has never seen an always wanted. I quit drinking about 4 years ago an haven't abused any of my med since I got out of detox n went to a Dr I met there to get on suboxone who got his license suspended during my switch from Xanax to klononpin to try an get down on those benzos as well. It actually sped things up as far as me checking out a ibogaine facility in mexico. Their asking $8ooo to do this an money is a big issue for me, its over $7000 a month to keep my mother where she is and my aunt and I split that, their is no other money from anywhere else. I was saving to get a vehicle an possibly move out of the depressing house I live and grew up in that has so many memories but I know I need to get this done before I can b happy anywhere else, so this is what I am putting my life savings towards, hopefully a new and better happy life. I just want to b free from these meds and have lost just about all trust n u.s. drs. Could anyone recommend a good place for me to go that maybe cheaper as well as tell me the best way to go about this? I have 30mg. Tablets of morphine, supposed to take 2 four times a day, wen I get down far enough and switch from the subs, but as I said one Dr being the ibogaine Dr, said to wean to 8 mg then switch. The other who prescribed said 16mg. was fine and I found the equivelancy chart on line wich says the amount of morphine prescribed was equivalent to 4mg.s of bupe. Also will ibogaine help with any paws from benzos. I am having. This is the first time I've tried one of these sites an really don't know if I'm going about it the right way but I truly hope someone who can help me sees this. I can't even visit my mother right now because I am so stressed and feel horrible. I don't want her to see me in anymore pain, she has to much of her own already. Thanks for reading and I'm sure I left a lot out but will answer anything that will help me thru this. I'm just ready to get to where I need to be so I can undergo treatment an learn what it is to have a real life. I started using at age 15 but didn't become physically addicted until 22 so I don't think I've ever truly known what living really is. I beg of any help and guidance I can get to hurry this process up. I'm starting to get scared I don't have much longer before the inevitable happens to my mother and it's eating me apart inside. Please help me with this treatment and help me to do it right and as fast as I can like I already stated I am literally at my wits end and I believe ibogaine could b just what I need because of other psychological issues as well. Thanks in advance.... wanaliveagain



There's a lot of mixed reviews about ibogaine, and it's controversial on these forums. But I do believe it has been a help for some people, with discontinuing use of opiates/opiods. Physiologically speaking, opiate withdrawals are rarely fatal or dangerous, in-and-of themselves. The same thing can't be said of benzos, and physiologically speaking, I don't believe there are any short cuts to get through benzo withdrawals. So, I would say, don't even think about Ibogaine, for benzos. That is one thing that pretty much has to be tapered, if use has been long term and at a fairly high dose. Look up the "Ashton Plan" for help with that, and the forum "http://www.benzobuddies.org" for online support and additional resources. Even a short term inpatient treatment is bad news for a heavy benzo addiction, IMO, even if it gets one past the stage of withdrawals that can be potentially fatal (due to seizures) and/or cause psychosis, because of the possible long term PAWS consequences.

I'm not sure how I would go about it in your shoes, if insistent on trying out Ibogaine. Detox from the benzos first with a taper, while on something like a non-permanent, suboxone or methadone maintenance plan perhaps, if you can find a doc willing to treat you with subs or meth, while on benzos (there are some who do it, and are seemingly not at risk of losing their license), and then try Ibogaine for the opiates? Or the other way around? *shrugs* I truly don't know the answer. Maybe ask around on more forums, or some addiction specialists who are open-minded about Ibogaine's potential.

And if you do try Ibogaine, when it comes down to who and/or where to go for help with using it.. research, research, RESEARCH. Since this novel substance's potential for treating addiction has come to light in the semi-mainstream (mostly word of mouth on the Internet, although I do think there has been some television exposure), a lot of scam artists have latched on to it as an easy money scheme. There are just too many shady operators out there posing as spiritual gurus, or clinical experts, etc, who are far from being so, and are simply scumbags, out to take advantage of the desperate and make off with a large wad of their money. There are so many horror stories of people ending up in awful situations in the aftermath of what they were promised would be an Ibogaine miracle.
Here is one such tale of woe: http://www.heroinhelper.com/sick/detox_ ... rt_2.shtml

Best of luck to you, wanalive. You'll find your way home one way or another, and I say that, as it seems like you truly want it.


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Thanks for your reply yes I do truly want it I'm so tired of never being happy but I do believe I'll b doing ibogaine soon thru Ibogaine university. I agree about the benzos cause I did the little detox they miserably failed with an tried to take my life twice before I finally decided to get Bak on or else I was gonna end up dying and couldn't do that to my mother. I was in total psychosis. But I have definitely researched around I'll b Goin to a facility not some underground clinic so I feel pretty good about it they also said they could help me with the benzos I've just been so miserable tapering and it seems most Dr's think u need to suffer before u can get clean no matter your situation or how much you've suffered in the past. Thanks so much again for your responce


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Hey, im kind of in the same situation but different, you can read my story my post was just behind yours, says need help to stop injecting subs if u wanna read that, but anyways, ive never heard of ibogaine can someone explain that to me? But i dont know if youve ever researched it but im looking into rapid detox, they put you under anesthesia and somehow take most the withdraws out, when u wake up the worse is over and u can get a pellet injected that helps with symptoms and stops you from getting high, they do it for suboxone and opiates and stuff, they might have something for benzos too, im just on suboxone, before was herion, never had benzo problem, my brother did and not to scare you but withdrawal was serious, it can kill you, make you hallucinate..its just really bad, but see if rapid detox can help, cheapest ive found is in michigan, for suboxone anyways i think it was 7 grand but you can apply to get the surgery done and just make monthly payments, just a suggestion..ill keep following to see how you do


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Just read a study three days ago-- will try to find it and post it on the blog-- that looked at outcomes from 'rapid detox'. Large study-- net misery not reduced by the process, because withdrawal is caused by waiting for receptors to regenerate. For 7 grand you lose the first day of withdrawal, but have the exact same next 2 months as a person who simply stopped cold turkey. Relapse rates are over 90% at 1 year, over 96% at 2 years. Again--- I'll post the study.

A couple facts on the earlier posts:

'just 6 mg of Klonopin'-- that is a LOT of Klonopin.

Ibogaine does not help with benzo withdrawal-- the reports of success are only with OPIOIDS, as noted by no boop shoop doop buop diep sheep doop buoop.

You can't use a dosage converter to simply convert from bupe to morphine, because the dose/response curve for bupe is not a straight line. In other words, 2 mg buprenorphine sublingual = 100 mg oral morphine = 4 mg bupe = 8 mg bupe = 100 mg oral morphine = 16 mg bupe.

the naltrexone pellet blocks opioids-- at least in the first 3/4 of a month. It does NOT directly reduce cravings. Australian studies show the problem with naltrexone pellets or injections (like Vivitrol): when they are stopped, patients have a high death rate. One study showed a 9 fold greater rate of death in patients who stop naltrexone compared to patients taking methadone. What, exactly, do you plan to do when the year is up, and the naltrexone removed? It seems so far away... but it comes up very fast. Buprenorphine is a far-better long-term solution IMO.


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