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Have you tried to get high on opioids (incl Sub) while on Sub?
Yes 70%  70%  [ 26 ]
No 30%  30%  [ 11 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:49 am 
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It's a pretty self-explanatory poll. But I just gotta make it clear that Suboxone is included as an opioid in this poll. So if you've purposely taken more Suboxone than you should to try and get high, that's included.

The reason is that which drug was used IMO is irrelevant. What matters is whether or not there was a "giving into" the craving to get high.

Occasionally people come on this site and open up about using while they've been on Sub. It's fair to assume there would also be those who don't open up. This is for them.

I selected yes, as most of you who know me know that I've had a couple of periods where I fell back into using.


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I voted no before reading the post but just the tittle. But I'd be lying if i didnt want to change my vote to yes. There were def days were i took more suboxone than i should off with bad intentions as in catching a buzz. And this is the odd thing i know theres the ceiling effect but i def got that buzz every time i took more but im talking 50mg bc my dose was very high as it was. So was my mind playing tricks on me or what? I believe the human mind is strong enough to make u believe your high but i also felt less pain too. I dont know this is why i love the clinic setting for methadone bc i have to go every day besides weekends so i cant build up left overs to do this type of thing. But im also at point in my life were i wouldnt bother doing this even if i can bc ive came to far to go back down that road. Also remember im on methadone so if i take more ill get high which could lead to a bad situation considering i am a addict in recovery.

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I will have 6 months clean on April 27, that is the first day of an NA convention where I live in Rockford, IL. I am serious about my recovery and working on my sixth step. After 38 years of active addiction and a powerful prescription drug problem compounded by other street drugs, including heroin and methadone and morphine I am clean except for a tad of clonazapam. Its actually a lot for the average person because a 1mg clonazapam is equal to two ten mg. valiums but since I was on 8mg of clonazapam for over ten years-that is the highest recommended dose that a doctor can prescribe this is a tad for me. My blood pressure skyrockets without it. But I still have trouble not taking more than I should when I am stressed but the doctor will NOT refill my prescription early unlike the quack before who would write me for a different mg so I could refill it at another pharmacy or tell the pharmacist it was okay to refill again and again. I also would rotate xanax and clonazapam. For awhile I was on both.

The first time I took opiates was when I was on sub and trying to be clean, although I was on a boatload of prescription drugs. I was given 10mg Norcos while in Atlanta visiting my brothers. I took ten of them like I used to and felt nothing. I have taken morphine the day after taking suboxone and your tolerance is higher than hell. I also found this true with heroin. I tried to kill myself before and I swear the naloxone must have kept me alive. I would eat five Kadian 100mg morphine after smashing the beads inside the capsule to a fine powder then I would take more. Most people would die from this amount so I would not advise anyone to do so. It takes about three days for the suboxone to wear off so you can use opiates and you will have a huge tolerance if you are on 8mg of suboxone. DO NOT DO IT! PLEASE DO NOT DO IT- I DO NOT KNOW WHY I AM ALIVE, GOD MUST WANT ME TO SHOW THAT THE MOST HOPELESS DOPE FIEND CAN GET CLEAN.

My worst clean day is better than my best high day. I for once have surrendered to the fact that I cannot use successfully. i was a professor for 16 yrs at a community college and my salary was over $76,000- I pissed it all the way away except for my pension and am on umemployment now. Its a difficult task to be a professor and teach microbiology and be a junkie. The methadone clinic kicked me off their program- or rather refused to dose me while I was working and the head honcho there wanted to get rid of me so she dropped my dose in half and I told them to shove their methadone up their ass and told them they were legal dope peddlers. I screamed at the nurse "Is this job very satisfying to you to dole out poison for a bunch of addicts; did you go to school to do this?" I went out with quite a bang then had the problem of how to get enough opiates to stop me from getting sick and not too much. I fucked up and took too much one day and students were concerned. I was a good teacher- unless I was loaded. Then my L5S1 disc herniated and pinched my sciatic nerve. I was put on leave and banned from campus. I got my salary for a whole year and went on leave in March of 2010. A forensic psychiatrist paid to evaluate me (terminate me) gave me a 35 of a GAS when I saw him straight except for prescription drugs. His evaluation is shocking and embarrassing as it has events such as police reports during welfare checks, where the police arrived at my residence to see prescription bottles and alcohol containers everywhere and me presumably dead on the floor with my face in a pillow. I remember it as a regular night coming too except seeing shiny shoes and being hauled off to the hospital. I was too honest during my evaluation with the forensic psychiatrist. I continued to use even on unemployment, and it was actually a good thing I was arrested although the circumstances are totally bogus. I am honest; I have been an escort and have sold drugs but I do not steal. I cetainly do not print out money which is what they arrested me for.
For me one week in the nasty jail without any of my prescription medication was enough to make me think WHATEVER LANDED ME IN THIS CONDITION I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO EVER BE HERE AGAIN; THIS IS HORRIBLE AND SO TRAUMATIC. I SPENT MY 54TH BIRTHDAY IN THERE; THE WORST BIRTHDAY I EVER HAD.


I have abused drugs for 38 years and it was not until I was in jail for a week coming off of ten years of taking 8mg clonazapam and 8mg suboxone and alcohol that I was so very sick that the jail actually broke their rule of no controlled substances and gave me about 60mg diazapam and blood pressure medications and some vitamins as I was seriously dehydrated and my blood pressure was very high. I had diarrhea in my pants and had to wait for a couple of hours to get a new pair of pants. The foold was inedible and disgusting, the mat was as thick as a newspaper and on a steel slab. I was without bail and in for forgery of US currency ( I had gotten a $100 bill from my bank and when a charity clinic told me it was no good after marking it when I presented it to get my blood pressure medication then I went across the street to a AfricanAmerican exotic dancer bar and the bartender told me let me show it to the owner, after I had explained the crusader clinic had told me it was no good-she was a witch; I never tryed to defraud them. The bartender offered me a drink while I was waiting and I asked for a Mikes lemonade then the cops came in and grabbed me. Forgery of US currency:NO BOND. IT WAS AWFUL AND BOGUS AND COST ME $1,500 IN LAWYER BILL PLUS NOW I have plead guilty to attempted forgery a misdemeanor. The bank gave me my $100 back but my fine was $400 and I got 2 years probabation.WARNING WHEN YOU GET $50 OR $100 BILLS FROM BANK MAKE BANK MARK IT WITH PEN, I ALWAYS THOUGHT BANKS CHECKED MONEY FOR COUNTERFEITS-THEY DO NOT)
I WOULD NOT WISH THIS ON ANYONE!

Anyway, I was able to experience suboxone withdrawal cold turkey as I was in there a week before they lowered my bond and it is not pretty. You will feel like you cannot stand to be in your own skin, you will not be able to sleep, no energy, runny nose, diarrhea, and I would sneeze ten or twelve times in a row. When I got out the first thing I did was take my clonazapam and suboxone. Then the doctor who prescribed the drugs got angry with me for being arrested; I think he has problems with DEA and he reduced my clonazapam to 2mg per day when Ihad been taking 8mg of that or xanax for over ten years. Another doctor who had me on that high of dose was in the hospital and this doctor was seeing the quacks doctors patients and I am no longer able to afford the quack since I lost my job as a professor and my insurance is gone. My addiction has cost me so much...anyway I could not go from 8mg of clonazapam to 2mg and ran out within a week and a half. I had hallucinations and ended up in a mental ward for a week where they detoxed me off clonazapam and now I am back on it because my blood pressure sky rockets without a tad of a benzodiazapine. I am on four blood pressure meds and my blood pressure is high.

While on sub I used to have a girlfriend who would sell me Kadian 100mg morphines that are for opiate tolerant patients ONLY. I do not want to get graphic but I would smash up all the balls in the capsules which can be deadly and take about four or five of them. I tried to kill myself before with them and I think the naloxone may have kept me alive. Suboxone blocks the opiate and you have to wait a day and even then your tolerance will be super high.

I believe Suboxone has been stategically marketed and is overprescribed and bet most of the people on this site do not have to be on the doses as high as they are on. For many addicts it is just something to use in between times when you cannot afford dope. One guy I know gets four 8mg films a day from his doctor and he sells three of them. They go for ten apieice here for an 8mg pill or strip. Cheaper than a bag of dope! It is double edged sword; it was a Godsend that I got it for free.

For those of you who do not have insurance there is a PATIENT SUPPORT PROGRAM and although its not advertised call the manufacturer of suboxone and ask about it. A doctor can have three patients on it, and they will send you the forms. you get the doctor to fill out the form you sign a page and mail it in and get a HERE TO HELP CARD that is good for a years worth of suboxone. Hope this helps someone needy.

I am trying to detox and down to 3mg. I love this site. I am not surprised to see that most of the people are like me. We are all drug addicts so that is normal to expect.
At least we are honest I hope!
May God bless you with recovery; I am not going to quit- I have had enough of using. It was not fun anymore, I was so miserable and guilt ridden and always in some drama. I am starting to experience peace and serenity and I would not trade it for a artificial high that wears off and leaves you broke or sick in a jail cell. When you are straight if you are like most addicts the painful mental thoughts that come with being straight kick in; your so caught up in the using cycle that you only feel pain. You can break the cycle and you hold the keys to your freedom. Suboxone is a great tool if your serious about recovery. It really is. I know that I am still on Sub so I hope that I can reach a day when I do not not need the suboxone- I cannot afford it and if I can kick methadone ( I did once, came off 80mg after 5 years- took me 8 months in residential treatment in Peoria to wean me) Like a fool I got to using once Ihad tenure. I hope to be drug free one day. But I am clean and counting every day. Today I do not have to use. Just for today.
Rachel L.


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A lot of yes's there TJ. I said yes, and after reading that Suboxone was included I guess that means a double yes. No reason to try to take any opiates again as I learned my lesson the first time. No matter how many I took, no high was to be acquired.

Taking more Suboxone than what you are used to may be fairly common here. I know I'm guilty of it.

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tearj3rker wrote:
It's a pretty self-explanatory poll. But I just gotta make it clear that Suboxone is included as an opioid in this poll. So if you've purposely taken more Suboxone than you should to try and get high, that's included.

The reason is that which drug was used IMO is irrelevant. What matters is whether or not there was a "giving into" the craving to get high.

Occasionally people come on this site and open up about using while they've been on Sub. It's fair to assume there would also be those who don't open up. This is for them.

I selected yes, as most of you who know me know that I've had a couple of periods where I fell back into using.





Gosh if it were not for the sub, I could have voted no..but I have taken more sub to see if it would make me high...of course it did not..so after a while I quit that shit. I had to vote yes, however, because sub is an opiate too...I am glad I do not ever had any cravings for my doc...the bup knocks that right out...and I am so grateful for that! .....
but when I first started bup..I had to experiment and took more...

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Very good poll question tear.......

My first few months on sub, I guess I was expecting the same results as the methadone program I had
tried (and failed of course) before.

I mean, I felt good with 16mg of sub, so why not take more????

GUILTY........................
But I didnt really feel ANYTHING. maybe just a lil more tired than normal. definitely NOT worth the
consequence of running out early, and telling my doctor about it.

After the third month, I was done. I guess I realized no matter how many times I
'think' I might have had a diferent result, there wasnt one.

Im so freaking glad too,
otherwise I would have failed this program as well.

as far as anything else though, the answers NO.
Thankfully, I've been able to stay away, I think only becuase of the sub.
even when I DO feel like I could/would/should.........Ive had enough
friends close to me say "you gotta stop for a like a week to feel ANYTHING at all"
and I havent wanted to do that. Far too much effort I guess :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:51 pm 
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rachelliss wrote:
I will have 6 months clean on April 27, that is the first day of an NA convention where I live in Rockford, IL.
Rachel L.


Just want to say hey Rachel. I am very very familiar with Rockford. One of the roughest places in the US... hope you keep doing okay. Not a stepper myself but glad its working for you.

I had to vote no, I did not relapse once while on Sub nor did I try to get high off of it. I guess its just very firmly planted in me that I cannot use opiates anymore.


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I like this thread bc i think it truly shows how strong the human brain/mind could be. Bc everyone else didnt fell anything but when i took more i did feel something. So my mental addiction said more opiates better high.

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Reportedly, 90 mg of Roxycodone while on 24 mg a day of suboxone equals[fade] zilcccchhhh.....[/fade] nada!

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I have tried using OXY while on my subs and just like i was warned the OC's did NOTHING! so thats was only one time becuaser i knew it was a waste of time and money to do both.
I have also tried to get a "buzz" using more subs that i was prescribed and much to my surprise found out that with subs "less is more!"
I feel better on lower amounts of suboxone(4MG) that i do on larger doses(8 mg's or more)


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