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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:24 pm 
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hi all I wish I knew about this forum the first time I was on subs. I'll give you a quick history before I get to my question so you know where I'm coming from.I've been addicted to pain medication since 1995 when I had surgery for endometriosis.then I hurt my back in 1996 3 herniated disc that periodically rupture and cause pain so I've been on pills since then.I've been on everything you can think of 10 times the dose the normal person would take to even get a little bit of a high. My last binge consisted of over 100 MCG of Fentynal a day. I would put a patch on as well as suck on little pieces at a time. I was on subs in 2008 for 8 months until I lost my insurance so from 2009 until May of this year I was out searching for any way to get rid of my pain. I finally got insurance again and went straight back to my doctor and started on subs again so I've been really good for 3 months now without any problems.

until now. the last couple weeks I've had pain in the middle of my abdomen that shoots over to the right side. I started to get worried because when I'm on the subs I don't feel any pain at all which is awesome and I'm only on 12 mg a day now! so Monday night I went to the ER and explained to them that if I'm feeling this amount of pain on the suboxone it must be really bad. They did an ultrasound of my gallbladder and found bubbles and gas and an enlarged common bile duct.they consulted a surgeon and decided they're not going to take the gallbladder because this is a common symptoms from this type of medication that, causes a duodenal ulcer which in turn causes gas and bubbles in the gallbladder. they told me an enlarged common bile duct is caused from this type of medication.so they basically sent me home with pepcid and told me to get over it if I want to continue to take the medication that's what's going to happen.

I see my pain management doctor in 2 weeks and I will consult with him then but I'm praying that I don't have to stop taking this medication its the only thing that's ever works for me.has anyone ever had this problem or even heard of it before. Thank you for any advice you could give me I'm freaking out thinking I'm going to have to live without the subs I don't know what I'll do.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:59 pm 
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I've been taking Suboxone for over four years and I've have never experienced what you are going through. You should contact a Hepatologist or Gastroenterologist to see what they have to say about you having a dilated common bile duct? I was diagnoses with a duodenal ulcer back when I was 20 and I wasn't on any type of drugs. As a matter of fact, most my my family on my mom's side had ulcers. What I'm trying to tell you is to seek a second opinion. And when I go to a "new" specialist, or any "new" doctor I never tell them I'm on Suboxone because I don't want them to form a negative opinion of me. I'll tell them about other medications I'm taking, but not the Suboxone. Only if I was going for Surgery is it their business to know I'm on Suboxone.

As I stated above, contact a specialist now that you have insurance. They may recommend an ERCP or a MRCP. What ever you do don't stop taking your Suboxone. Good Luck and let me know what you choose to do. I hope you seek out a specialist.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:49 pm 
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I'm so sorry that you're going through this trouble with your gallbladder. I think Goodygirl is right in suggesting that you get a second opinion. You can always go through the appt. without telling the specialist about suboxone, but then bringing it up after you hear what he has to say. If he tries putting you on narcotics, I would just tell him that you are trying to avoid those kinds of drugs.

I don't have any expertise when it comes to gallbladders, but I wish you the best in getting help for your problem.

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Thanks girls! I have kaiser, so any dr I see has my full history right in front of them! Although my chart does say I'm on it for chronic pain! I told the er doc I wad on it for 2 reasons... first ididnt want her tothink I was seeking drugs, or give me any for that matter! And second, I needed her to know the pain was probablly a lot worse than I was feeling. I was kind of disappointed in her anyway because after all the testing all she did was poker head in and say your gallbladder is having a problem because of your meds follow up with your GP! it was my GP the next day that read all the notes to me and explain that they did discuss it with the surgeon and I was the surgeon who is not willing to do anything.so I think I'll wait till I see my pain management doctor and find out his opinion and then go from there.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:57 pm 
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I left a message for my doctor a couple days ago because I can't wait until time to see him to find out what's going on. The pharmacist that works through the pain management clinic gave me a call today and explain that him and my doctor reviewed my case as well as some research on the medication and common bile duct and said they have never heard of this before and they don't think that's what my problem is.they think I had a call stone pass through the common bile duct that for some reason or another they didn't see so he told me if I continue to be in pain I need to go back to the ER and make sure that they contact my doctor.I have felt a little better the last few days unless I eat all I can eat as rice, toast, applesauce, and bananas but I don't know I don't know how much longer I can live on that!but I am happy to hear that my doctor and the pharmacist I've never heard of this being a side effect.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:14 pm 
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It really could just be a coincidence.

They have you on the BRAT Diet, which is low in fiber and good for any gastrointestinal issues. I hope it gets sorted out for you quickly! Let us know what happens.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:07 pm 
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I went to the ER last night.... I couldn't stand it any longer! I had the nicest Dr this time and I told him how the last dr made me feel.... after reading her notes he told me that what she was trying to say was that all these years of taking pills is probably the reason I'm having problems. He sounded nicer about it but I still don't like her.... anyway... this dr said he wanted to start all over anyway because a dialated common bile duct means nothing if you don't have any stones. So he sent me for a CAT scan.....which showed thickening of the intestinal walls....the large intestines, all the way to the iliac (?) The spot where it meets the small intestines is inflamed... he said it was either an infection or an inflamatory process.... meaning like ulceritive colitis, or Chrones disease which I didn't want to hear, because my Dad has it and so does my Aunt on my moms side!.... anyway he did say if a colonoscopy doesn't come up with anything then he would think I just have damage from all the years of pills, constipation and laxatives! .... anyway, I can't tell you how much better I feel knowing its not from the suboxone!


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So I was starting to think I was alone in this thought. I have been having gallbladder issues for about 2 months, and I would notice they wouldn't start until after my first dose of the day (about 2 mg) and like you, I didn't want to believe it was from suboxone. This last week I went about 4 days without taking any suboxone whatsoever, and the pain went away. I was still taking some form of opiate, so there was no WD. I thought maybe my diet helped and my gallbladder issues were in the past. The first time i took any suboxone the pains came straight back. I have been testing when the pain comes on stronger and it's definitely tied to the suboxone. Anyone have any ideas why? I can't afford to see any doctors, no insurance.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:00 am 
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So just a thought on this. If Suboxone were to be the culprit in causing this, have you thought about switching to Methadone. Suboxone is moderately good with pain, but Methadone seems to cover pain better and would help you with the gall bladder intestine issue.


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