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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:24 pm 
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I was inducted this past thursday. Dr. started me at 16mgs based on my using history. The RX instuctions are " dissolve under the tongue up to 1/2 tablet by mouth 4 times daily". And let me first say that at this point, I feel that this drug makes me feel exactly normal. Since beginning therapy I have felt zero euphoria or a high of any kind. I am able to focus, work, think, read, pray, interact with people, just like a person should. On the first and second day of therapy, I was a bit dismayed that I didn't get any kind of a 'head change' or any kind of buzz of some sort. That was the addict in me trying to 'get a little' so to speak. That small yearning for a buzz left quickly. To tell ya the truth, I am thoroughly enjoying having the presence of mind and normalcy that this drug seems to be giving me. Wished I'd have found it years ago. The benefits of this therapy are very satisfying. And that describes how I feel now: SATISFIED! And nothing else. I am so glad to have gave Subs a go. I almost used my induction money to order another crap load of roxicodone. Thank God that I didn't. Here's my question:
The Dr. didn't give much instruction, or else I forgot it if he did, on how to 'find' the dose that's right for me. On day one I took 16 mgs. On day two I took 24 mgs. (I know I know, but I had to find out for myself lol). On day three, yesterday, I took 16 mgs. Today, I was gonna try to take 12 mgs but I started feeling kinda crappy about 2 hrs ago and took the other half ofthe second pill of my daily dosage. I would like to get down to 8mgs or even 4mgs per day due to cost. Im having to pay for Dr visits AND suboxone tablets with hard cash.
For you guys and gals who had a Dr supervise you until you leveled out, how did ya do it???? I realize that youre not doctors. But surely you can shed some light on how I can reduce my dose to a more cost friendly level. I plan on staying on suboxone for the long haul. But 60 tabs a month plus $100 per month for the Dr visit is a serious expense. I'm not a tightwad, but I'm sure that I can get by with less medicine. I just don't know how to get there. Thanks for any help you can give me.
PS Will Dr Junig's E book answer this question exactly????


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If 16mgs feels okay then just stick with that for several weeks and let your body adjust to the medication. The maintenance dose written on the pamphlet the pharmacy gives you says 16mgs so you are about right on. I wouldn't keep trying to go up and down trying to find some magical spot.

You said you feel great on that dose so stick with it. Then after some weeks or months you can start to taper slowly. I went from 16mgs to 12mgs on that drop. Then went right to 8mgs after the next change. But that was over several months. And everyone is different when it comes to tapering down to a comfortable dose. Some can feel a 2mg decrease and others cannot.

What is your six month plan? Do you just want to find the dose that works best and stay with it, or are you considering tapering down low right away? Give yourself a minimum of six months to a year in Sub recovery before you think about tapering and jumping. That has shown to be the best way to go per Dr. Junig. And of course they all ask us to seek therapy and maybe meetings to help us get into the recovery mindset.

When the doctor told you to find the dose that works best, I think he meant to get to a dose where you don't feel any withdrawal symptoms. It really is better if the doctor determines that right at the beginning but they all have their methods I guess.

It sounds like you're doing great. Stick with it and give it some time for you brain to heal.

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Thank you for the reply, Rule62. My plan is to find a good dose and stay with it a while. I get more benefit (so far) from this drug than merely not feeling withdrawal, and not craving, and so on. The side benefit that I love about it is the sense of clear minded-ness and normal-ness. It improves my outlook on things. It feel motivated to do things. I am a man of faith, and I have even been motivated to pray more regularly and with more feeling. All of these things went away while I was using. Particularly praying because I figured that I was living wrong by doing all of the things that I had to do to get more dope. I don't know, none of that probably made no sense or even sounds weird, but it's how I feel. Suboxine has given me many benefits. And to top it off, I feel no drug induced euphoria.
Since making my decision to stay with Bupe I would like to find a maintaince dose that's more lest costly. But I'm in no hurry. I'll just stick with 16mgs for now. No harm in that. I just don't want to have to "hurt" when I drop to 12mgs. My goal is to maintain on 4 mgs. But I'm still real new and may be thinking another way in a few days. Thanks again for your reply.


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I agree with Rule. Give yourself time to stabilize on the 16 mg and stay there for awhile before you try to go down to a lower dose. It's not unusual to start out at a higher dose for awhile when new to sub treatment. You've got plenty of time to get down to a lower dose. The dose that's right for you is one that addresses all of your w/d and cravings.

Are you without insurance? Have you asked your sub doctor about the Patient Assistance Program? It's from the manufacturer and if approved it would cover one full year of your meds. (It's for uninsured patients on sub.) Each doctor is allowed up to 3 patients on the program. It's worth asking your doc if s/he has their 3 patients on the program already. Maybe you'll have a shot at being approved. Just a thought.

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I agree with Rule. Give yourself time to stabilize on the 16 mg and stay there for awhile before you try to go down to a lower dose. It's not unusual to start out at a higher dose for awhile when new to sub treatment. You've got plenty of time to get down to a lower dose. The dose that's right for you is one that addresses all of your w/d and cravings.

Are you without insurance? Have you asked your sub doctor about the Patient Assistance Program? It's from the manufacturer and if approved it would cover one full year of your meds. (It's for uninsured patients on sub.) Each doctor is allowed up to 3 patients on the program. It's worth asking your doc if s/he has their 3 patients on the program already. Maybe you'll have a shot at being approved. Just a thought.
Thanks Hatmaker. I will talk to the Dr in a couple of weeks. They made me an appt for three weeks from induction day. I overheard him tell the nurse: Make him an appt in three weeks because I don't want him to run out. He probably thought i would eat more than 2 per day, it sounds like! LOL A valid concern when dealing with someone like me, whose past drug use included taking WAY more than prescribed. And he wasn't far off the mark, because I took 3 on my second day. Of course it did exactly not one bit of good! But I just HAD to find out for myself whether a person could FEEL these tabs if I took more than prescribed. I'm sorry that I drifted so far off topic. I feel really great today. On 8 mgs. But I'm gonna take 8 more shortly. Thanks for y'alls replies.
I have been watching all of Dr. Junig's u tube videos. He is a very intelligent individual!!!!


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