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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:34 pm 
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Being in my doctors office the other day I picked up a pharmacy is out card and have yet to use it but I did go on the website and the card is free to be sent to you but I looked up if it covered suboxone or subtext not sure if that is how you spell that one but when I looked it up the both we're significantly reduced by 75 % so I thought I would share this will people who do pay out of pocket www.rxreliefcard.com this website is where you can order your card so I hope it helps.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:56 am 
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I meant to put I picked up a discount card not whatever my phone hangedbitbto sorry for the confusion. I hope this helps someone let me know if you order upur cards cause I have mine three actually one for each of my household members


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When you use it, come back and let everyone know how much it took off the price of Suboxone.

I for one will have to change meds by 2014 (thanks Obummercare)...because CVS won't cover Suboxone anymore, and because the med still hits my insurance for $576 each month, they decided they aren't covering the cost...so I'm being forced onto one of the generics.
Hopefully, a generic FILM version will be forth-coming...I know of one that's supposed to be hitting around January..2014.

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My insurance covers it but if I ever find myself I a position where it doesn't I will let you know but I hope it won't be anytime soon


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It saved me four dollars off 14 strips. I give my mother my card because she has a lot of different medications, if she saves anything and tells me about it I will let you know. I have not found one of those cards yet that save anymore than a couple bucks for Suboxone. Believe me I have tried a ton of them. I find it best to try and use the Good Rx.com coupons and if they don't accept it or want to, make them call the 1800 number. If Good Rx has the company on their website, apparently they are under contract with that pharmacy company and they are supposed to honor those coupons. It says that 30 8mg strips are 220 in my area. The tablets it says that 30 8mg tablets are about 108. I am just afraid that the tablets wont do like the strips do, I have heard some people having withdrawals on the generic tablets. I guess I should have made that clear, the generic tablets. I have heard things about the generic ones. If I could get the strips with the coupons for the pills, lol I would been doing that along time ago.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:24 pm 
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jonathanm1978 wrote:
(thanks Obummercare)


Well, thanks to "obummercare" I will finally have insurance for the first time in 15 years. I'm assuming you are insured through your Wife's job? Not everyone is as lucky.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:34 pm 
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I am sorry to those of you who do have to pay out of pocket I recently have had so many issues with my insurance an thankfully they eventually cover it but man I stress for a while that I worry. I am so thankful that I have coverage now and am just waiting for the day that I will have to deal with it all on me. I regret voting for Obama ( places finger gun to head and pulls trigger)


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For anyone on generic subutex you can get them for $2.50 a pill using the coupon from the aforementioned GoodRx.com, I have used the coupon so I can attest to it working. Just go to goodRx.com type in "subutex" and then your zip code in the provided area and it will bring up a list of stores that honor, the cheapest is walmart so thats where I fill mine.


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jonathanm1978 wrote:
(thanks Obummercare)


Well, thanks to "obummercare" I will finally have insurance for the first time in 15 years. I'm assuming you are insured through your Wife's job? Not everyone is as lucky.


While I have been in your shoes...for the first THREE years I took Suboxone, I had NOTHING. No insurance, no RX...so my unemployment was the only thing that I could use to get my meds.
I was prescribed 3 pills/daily, and never could afford that. At the end of the month, do you know how it hurt to have 30 or 40 pills fall off? (expire, because I couldn't afford to buy them?)...
The pharmacist was good enough to me that I was allowed to buy 3 today...2 tomorrow...5 the next day...etc...but I never could fill an entire script of 90. The doctor visit was $110...and I never got any relief from that, or help either.
Programs to help people buy medicines? When I called they informed me that "They don't help people buy controlled substances"
WTF...I needed my meds just like a diabetic would need theirs...would I be better clean, or as a junkie, running my family into the ground?? Another argument for another day with that...

But...with Obamacare...companies are being forced to provide insurance and are reducing peoples' time to 29hours a week or less to keep from having to pay those outlandish fees...is that fair? Nope. Why should a company reduce a full-time 40-hour+ a week employee to 29 hours or less because the price of paying for insurance would cause the company to go under and file bankruptcy...?

so, while people are able to get insurance that haven't been able to before, Obamacare is causing companies that were able to stay afloat to decide what's more important...staying in business or providing healthcare. And the ones choosing to not provide healthcare are reducing the time of faithful, long-term employees to 29 hours or less.

This is our socialist engine at work...I understand some people need help..that's fine. But people like my sister, who leech off the government...why should my wife's 300+ per month in fed taxes alone go to help someone who REFUSES to help herself and lives off foodstamps and medicare for ER visits every time she farts sideways?

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Itsybitsyspider510 wrote:
I am sorry to those of you who do have to pay out of pocket I recently have had so many issues with my insurance an thankfully they eventually cover it but man I stress for a while that I worry. I am so thankful that I have coverage now and am just waiting for the day that I will have to deal with it all on me. I regret voting for Obama ( places finger gun to head and pulls trigger)


I know people are close to their politics, in the same way they are close to their religion, and discussion of such can get heated pretty quickly...but if you look at where we are as a country today...there's no way anyone can say we are better off than we were 6 years ago...and been printing money since the first bailout. Unemployment is at record high (the REAL unemployment numbers, not the numbers that are stuffed by the Labor board). They don't count people who fall off and aren't eligible for unemployment anymore. You know why I was passed up for a $52,000/year job just 2 months ago? Because I have been unable to find ANY work for 2+ years...
So I don't qualify for most 'productivity' jobs, the thing I've done for 15+ years, because for 2+ years nothing here has been open to someone with manufacturing skills....
So I've quit looking, and will just stay home until my kids are all in school, then I'll go to college I guess and try to get a piece of paper with some sort of technical degree stamped on it....then maybe I can make thousands a year for what I do for a couple hundred a month (diagnostic + repair of PC, custom built PC and network administration).

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Hmmmm, all this discussion about politics in pretty interesting. I'm sure there are MANY different opinions about this issue represented here on the forum. I would hate to see it get too heated in this section. Maybe this would be a good topic for the Freestyle section?

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Jonathon- I paid out of pocket for 8 years of maintenance, along with ever doctor visit or emergency I've ever had in my life. My husband and I pay over 120k in taxes every year yet we don't qualify for insurance because we're "addicts" and have Suboxone on our recent history. The system was severely fucked and anyone willing to attemp to change it is ok in my book. This story isn't just my own, there are a lot of hard working people who can't get insurance because of one ridiculous thing or another. Once you switch employers and need to actually find insurance on your own, you realize how hard it is. We don't have plants here that employ the whole town. Unless you work for Starbucks or a law firm, you're pretty much SOL out where I live.

So, I'm sorry about your switch from brand to generic, really.. you poor thing. But meanwhile, I might be able to sleep at night not worrying about some catastrophic accident that ruins our lives forever and everything we've worked for.


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One last thing, I don't care if people knock Obama. This isn't political for me. Start talking about the healthcare/ insurance system though, and it is extremely personal to me.

Socialism is me paying the taxes I do and being forced to pay out of pocket for my own meds when who knows how many other people's meds I've been paying for. Unfortunately insurance companies view Suboxone entirely the same as active addiction. Something to think about for anyone here who may have had to switch insurance companies. Luckily, not for long.

** I'll spare you my rage about having to pay out of pocket for my one child that I responsibly waited so long to have. If you had any idea how expensive that is and that it's due up front, you might just appreciate what you have. My only hope is that I can get on a plan by the new year that might help with delivery (thanks to obummercare.)


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jonathanm1978 wrote:
This is our socialist engine at work...I understand some people need help..that's fine. But people like my sister, who leech off the government...why should my wife's 300+ per month in fed taxes alone go to help someone who REFUSES to help herself and lives off foodstamps and medicare for ER visits every time she farts sideways?



I was trying to reply on my phone while getting ready for work. Now that I'm at a computer, I want to touch on this as well. Our taxes have been paying for people like your sister since the beginning of time. That is nothing new. Government assistance and medicare programs having been taking care of the poor the entire time. The idea that these changes we are seeing to the healthcare system are for people like your sister (who are already well cared for, btw..) is a misconception. The changes are to help working middle class (and even upper class) who DON'T qualify for government assistance and who've been denied insurance for one reason or another. This is a large group of people.
Food stamps and medicare have been around way before Obama.


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I have an ex best friend that is nothing but a government leech so I can understand the hatred/outrage for these types of people, the ones who are down on their luck and get help and try to do something to change their lives I have no problem with but the ones who are content to live off the taxpayers for the rest of their lives while getting high all day and watching tv can go jump off a cliff for all I care. This old "friend" I mentioned is the scum of the earth, hes a 30 yr old man who is babied daily by his mommy and he's been an addict for years. So whats his mom do? She takes him doctor shopping to every dr in the state for an illness he doesnt have and after being turned away from tons of drs finally found one that they could manipulate and now he gets injectable dialudid solution, oxycodone, xanax and a slew of other shit that he takes for "pain" he doesnt have. All this wouldn't bother me except this scumbag has never worked a day in his life and never will because now this fake "illness" is down on paper and his mother then decides since she made this monster and can't afford to pay to feed his habit that shes gonna take him to wherever you take someone to get welfare and lie some more and now he gets a government check every month to pay for his prescribed dope. I work 12 hours a day 5-6 days a week everyweek (mostly 6 days) and this guy gets to live in a nicer house then me and of course contributes nothing to society and just shoots up all day. If I get sick or need medical care though no dice but that human stain can waltz right in and be treated for no cost and it makes me sick. I hope that obamacare will open up options for me to get insurance at a reasonable rate but Im skeptical and won't believe it till I see it.


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^ Have you used the calculator? It's a rough estimate of course, but it's supposed to give you an idea of what you'll be charged. It's based on earnings. I will be charged a lot, I am sure, and that is totally fine with me. As long as I'm covered, I am happy. But it *should* be fair based on income..

Here's the direct link to the calculator, it only takes a sec..

http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/


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120k in taxes? My wife and I have never made 120k combined...even if you added up 3 or 4 years. Being switched from brand to generic? yeah..poor thing. We're still making under 45k a year, paycheck to paycheck on less than $1500/month, and stretching every dime of that with our 4 kids, wife's mom and dad, wife's sister, wife's niece, and wife's nephew ALL living here. Pardon me if I don't feel the pity for myself that you seem to feel, we've never had any assistance from any government agency in our lives...and went 3 years living on unemployment (that we paid into for 15 years prior and never used).
No food stamps, no nothing..we had to tough it out. The only "relief" we ever got was being able to bankrupt ourselves from medical bills when our son totaled up around 300,000 in NICU in a 13-day period + delivery. (and we had insurance during that time..and still came up owing close to $10,000. I got laid off 2 months after he came home from the hospital...and active addiction started right around that time...because of the "stress" (or I used that as the excuse to eat pills)...

So, while some might pay that much in taxes, we don't make half that, and pay well over $7,000 a year in just premiums from payroll deduction. That doesn't include doctor visits out of pocket for Suboxone, plus the $80 every time I get a script...

so while you have your complaints, we have ours that just as viable and deserving of recognition. I remember when we made $13,000 for the first year after we got away from unemployment...we were living well...no more egg sandwiches and cheese and grits for supper...
food stamps turned us away because we had a car (WTF?)...
You can't have a car and get assistance.
Our oldest child will be 13 in January...and right now, making a hair under $45k yearly, we're doing better than we've ever done since we got married. Even with 12 people living here and all the bills we pay. I wouldn't be so quick to put others troubles aside, I never said anyone had it worse or better than we did. I just stated a problem that is a legitimate problem, and for me is causing tons of anxiety. So yeah. poor pitiful me, or however you'd like to put it...for me, it's anxiety out the ass.

People make it on a HELL of a lot less and have a HELL of a lot more worry than what you've stated..even I know people have it worse than we do, but I don't put aside their problems and say mine or any worse than theirs. Everyone has a right to feel their problems are just as legitimate as the next person, it's not MY place to tell you that you're problems aren't legitimate. I don't appreciate the same coming from you towards the issues I stated about my insurance...still doesn't feel right to pay what we do in healthcare premiums, and just last month I got told that "my policy doesn't cover Suboxone treatment on the mental health side, so I'll have to continue paying the $150/monthly on top of the out-of-network deductible, plus the $185/medical premium (which doesn't include the RX premium, the dental premium, life, disability long/short, or our HSA spending account.

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qhorsegal2 wrote:
Hmmmm, all this discussion about politics in pretty interesting. I'm sure there are MANY different opinions about this issue represented here on the forum. I would hate to see it get too heated in this section. Maybe this would be a good topic for the Freestyle section?

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I really hope this conversation can continue in some way. Embarrassingly, I am not very knowledgeable on this insurance topic and want to learn more. . . Especially in how it will affect addiction treatment. I'm not a very political person. I come from a family my husband lovingly ( ;) ) refers to as "limousine liberals". He has made it his lifelong mission to "reprogram" his poor wife's brain. Thanksgiving is really fun for me.

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Jonathan-

I didn't mean to invalidate your problems or struggles as whole. I just didn't have too much sympathy if your main gripe was being switched from a brand name to generic, that's all. The changes that are coming about may be uncomfortable for some, but are opening up the possibility of insurance coverage for a large group of people who can't otherwise get it. So to blatantly put down these MUCH needed changes was a slap in the face. It kind of felt like you were saying "well, I'm fine and cozy on my insurance, screw everyone else who can't get insured, that's their problem." If it isn't broke for you, why fix it right?

Additionally, I only brought up my taxes because you implied this new health care reform was for people leeching on the government's tit and how unfair it is that your taxes go to help people like that, as if it's some new thing. My point is that I am not some barnacle on the foot of society and very much deserve to be insured like anyone else. I might make more, but the cost of living is also higher where I live so I'm not sitting on piles of money. Any emergency can take everything we have and that is scary for anyone.

The fact that one emergency can clean out an otherwise, functioning and contributing family, force them into bankruptcy and then on to Government assistance is PRECISELY why more people should care that our health care system is better overall The more people insured, that have adequate access to health care, the less people that are on government assistance sucking it from your taxes.


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Tiny and Jonathan,

This discussion mirrors the feelings that alot of people in this country have right now. Changes of the magnitude that we are seeing in our health care system currently are bound to stir up passionate feelings on both sides of the isle. There are no right or wrong opinions, only differing ones based on the individuals current circumstances and, more than likely, political beliefs.

I would like to see this discussion continue, but I don't feel that it belongs on the main forum. Does anybody involved have any objections to me moving this whole thread over to the freestyle section?

Itsybitsyspider, Tiny, and Jonathan...you are the main ones who have participated in this conversation, let me know what you guys think ok?

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