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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:17 pm 
Jim - please come back and let us know how you are. This is serious shit. I hope you're OK.

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I'll second all of the other comments-- that you should not have been treated that way, and also to seek medical care for the infection.

As for the first part, I urge anyone who is treated in such a way to write a letter (much better than e-mail) to the hospital ceo, VP in charge of human resources, and the chief of the dept involved. You can report bad hospital care to the site for hospital accreditation; you'll find the link here: http://www.jointcommission.org/

Try to be as calm as you can when you write, and focus on the big issues, like PRIVACY-- as in, should a patient with a spider bite (or infection) have their private medical history-- including their PSYCHIATRIC history (which is supposed to be protected to a higher level) spread throughout the staff of an emergency room-- especially when history is unrelated to your presenting illness?

The reason they didn't want to give you a script, by the way, was because they thought you would either try to duplicate the script or use the DEA number on the script to call in meds for yourself. I don't think it is fair that they assumed those things-- I just wanted to clarify what they worry about.

The main thing, though, has been said-- get the infection treated. People have mentioned MRSA, which is certainly a nasty thing to have, but even worse is the 'flesh eating bacteria' that has been mentioned-- which is actually a strep infection, not staph (as the MRSA is). Strep infections, especially in the groin, can be very serious, and even fatal; recovery can take months, and involve multiple skin and tissue grafts and other operations. The main thing they should have done at the ER was CULTURE the wound; it is best to do the culture before starting antibiotics, and if they didn't do that and you end up with a bad infection you have a lawsuit on your hands. Likewise, it is the job of the ER doc to follow-up on the culture the next few days, and determine whether the antibiotic that was prescribed will cover the infection. It the bacteria is resistant, they have an obligation to notify you and change the antibiotic.

Don't put it off, especially if it is growing. A 7-y-o boy died from strep at the hospital when I worked in anesthesia; the bacteria seeded his hip joint during a tonsillectomy, and three days later he was so sick that he was barely conscious. In the OR, when the wound was opened up, the bacteria entered his bloodstream in massive amounts and we could not resuscitate him-- I got called to the case after they had done CPR for almost an hour, as they were calling every specialist within miles, hoping to bring him back.

Yes, I'm trying to scare you into getting it checked out!


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Thanks for replying Suboxdoc, when I saw this I wanted you to tell him how serious this really can be.

ReRaise, don't screw around, go to the ER! I hope you are there already. We will all be worried.

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Ok.......Thanks to all

I just got back from the ER and all went well. I was honest about my meds even though I had to explain it to the nurse. The ER doc seemed pretty cool and up on it and she kept asking questions..he finally said "why don't you go do something I will handle this." And he did.....started out with IV antibiotics....then he numbed the area and cut it releasing as much fluid as he could and cleaned it very well...He then inserted a Wick (some type of tube to help with the drainage) that is to be in place for two days.......he came back in with a script for an antibiotic and Percocet........(What?) I proudly told him I don't need that and he said are you sure it may get pretty sore and may be more than the sub can handle. I gave it back to him and said I think I will be fine. He said call him if it gets unbearable and he will help out...So all in all things went well. I will see what happens in two days but I feel he has me on the right track. Thank you all for your support including the doc....I decided to call a helicopter to medevac me to the ER since you all said it was so serious......HA. Seriously thanks to all....

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Hey Jim,

I am so relieved to hear that you are okay. Seriously, I was really worried about you. The friend that I mentioned actually died in 48 hours after she left the hospital, but I didn't want to mention that. Just telling you about the flesh eating disease what awful enough.

It sounds like you were treated very well this time, the way you SHOULD be always treated. I am really impressed that you were able to trun down the perocets. That means that your recovery is in a good place, way COOL! Please do not hesitate to get the percs if the pain does get out of control. There is no point in suffering needlessly, but you know what you can handle!

I think you have a lot of good friends here that think a lot about you. We were certainly concerned about your well being and I am so happy that you are okay.

I can only imagine how painful and irritating it must be, especially because it is in your groin area, like that is really awful. Did the doctor know how you would get that infection?

I know there will probably be a lot of people checking this thread out when they see you are back, so will close for now.

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Yes, Ginger's right, quite a few of us checking this thread and happy now to see you've been to the ER and back and are ok. You're sounding better already, hopefully you feel some better too. Yay, hopefully no further complications for you with this.


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I'm SO glad you're OK! And you were treated with dignity and respect. It's about damn time. It's good that you went in. Keep us posted on how you're doing. Oh, and yes, many of us do think a lot of you. Hang in there!

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PHEW! I have to say, I was worried about you! Isn't it funny how even though most of us don't really know each other we get emotionally involved with each others lives. Anyway, I'm glad you got treated with respect and I'm VERY proud of you that you refused that Percoset script! Rock on!

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Hi Jim,
I just want to Echo what everyone else has said.. Glad you are OK and on the mend. Excellent job on refusing the Pain Meds.... I would like to say my recovery would have me do the same thing BUT I'm not sure???? Anyway Great Job...

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Good for you refusing the oxycodone. I to have refused pain meds from docs and I always felt good about myself after. It's amazing how well OTC pain meds do work. Hope it all works out. I have read lots of posts and spoken to lots of people with experiences like yours (being trated like a junky). The replies are always very supportive and angry about the situation. I know this will not be at all popular to say and I don't want to piss anyone off or make light of your experience but I always try to look at both sides of an argument and here we are getting one. I used to do so much lying, cheating, and stealing to support my habit. I always thought doctors (as smart as they are) were so easy to munipulate. It was almost like chess, thinking 10 moves (or lies) in advance. I used to brag I could get meds out of the most conservative docs. Again, I am not minimizing your situation. I just personally feel I've ruined my trust with the medical community and maybe my punishment is going through things like that every once in a while. That staff could have dealt with a dozen pill seekers that day before you walked in or maybe they were just plain out of line. Either way don't let it get to you. Like it or not we are now labeled drug seekers. Small price to pay for getting a second chance at life. Again I hope you are feeling better, I just had to get that off my chest.


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Hey Jim,

Again, I have not seen a post from you in a while and I was just wondering how you are doing?

Last we heard from you was after you went to the ER. I really hope that you are okay and that your infection is better.
Please check in when you are able and let us know how you are.

Miss seeing your posts!

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All is well....I am still healing...for the other poster

By the way I don't care if that Urgent Care dealt with 20 pill heads that day......it is no excuse for someone presenting for a possible spider bite to be treated that way. They are a business....they have rules...laws.. Not worth getting into.......it's over.

Thanks for your concern Ginger.........


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Believe me I hear you. If I was in the situation I would have been pissed to and I honestly was not trying to minimize you situation. I was speaking in more gerneral terms. We are still humans and should always be treated with respect. I know I used to pull so much shit with docs and er's that I feel MY word with the medical community is forever lost and in my eyes rightly so. But that is my issue of guilt and remorse over my past. I know that some of my behavior makes it harder for true pain sufferers. You absolutely right, you were not asking for pain meds or a paper script slip. I think the ignorance of suboxone will soon change. Again I was speaking in general and more about myself not your case. I always try very hard to look at both sides of any confrontation, it's my way of keeping my anger and resentments under control. When I've been wronged I try to think of thier day leading up to the wrong doing. Believe me I am know Zen master but it helps me deal with anger. Hope all goes well and you should follow up with a formal letter or phone call. On another note my son just got a spider bite and it swelled to golf ball size. He was given anti biotics and a steroid topical 2 days ago and it seems to be working. Good Job again refusing meds, mabey that will change an opinion or two in that urgent care. Take care and feel well.


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Jim,

I am sorry I got to this so late but I was out of town and had no computer access. I am curious what happened to the family doc thing that it now got extended into August. Holy Cow! You have had a rough time with that too. I have quite a bit of experience with such infections because I am lucky enough to have a disease which causes them on a regular basis since the age of 16. They are nasty and painful little things and VERY serious so I am glad you went back to the ER. When you said you threw up I was concerned you were getting septic which is a huge concern with these and I have been there several times as well. Not fun.

I am glad the ER treated you well. That is how our ER treats me here where I live and they are just wonderful. HOWEVER, the urgent care center out here SUCKS and they are rude and nasty just like you described and I will NEVER go there again. I really do hope you will write a letter as suggested. They cannot just continue to treat people like this. It is experiences such as this which caused me to go to the street for pain killers and treat myself. It is what landed me with an addiction problem. I don't think they realize how traumatizing their behavior can be, especially when someone is actually in pain and needs something to manage it. For me, as you probably noticed, those infections can go from the size of a pea to the size of a golfball in only a couple of hours. It only take a few hours after that to turn into the size of an orange. I learned a long time ago to go in early because I never knew when or if it would get huge. Antibiotics don't generally work for me although they do on occasion. I wouldn't wait until they were HUGE because it would be in the middle of the night with excruciating pain or it would be too painful to drive there, etc. etc. They would treat me like I just wanted drugs. This was before any medical history of addiction or addict behavior in my file. It was a nightmare. I finally just said f them. It is easier to get it on the street. Of course I couldn't get just vicodin on the street, only oxycontin, and it was all over from then forward.

I say all of this because you writing a letter could help not only for addicts, but people who aren't yet there. Being treated this way by the medical community is unacceptable. And Dr. Junig is right. They were so busy judging you, they didn't even do their job properly or thoroughly. They absolutely should have cultured it. PERIOD. And they should have told you what it could be and to come back not only if it got worse, but if you felt feverish or if you threw up. I had my condition for 10 years before a doctor finally told me that. They are lucky you went somewhere else and got treated and this didn't get way worse.

Take care Jim.

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:shock: I've got to say that it pains me to think that someones prejudice prevented you from getting taken care of when you really needed it. Absolutely disgusting to think that it could have had irreversible effects. Everyone on here is so well spoken it really was like reading a suspense story with Nurse Ratchet as the arch villain. (One Flew over the CooCoo's Nest..if you haven't seen it do yourself a favour)

I hope that, with as prolific as opiate addiction has become, they start to teach the medical professionals to be less cynical when dealing with someone who is "TREATING" their dependency. I mean there is such a stigma attached to suboxone and methadone it is no wonder you were reluctant to mention the fact that you are being treated with the former. She couldn't even pronounce it properly.....talk about fueling your rage.

Anyways I am a Subs patient too, and have not had the occasion to subject myself to any sideways glances or mistreatment based on my current prescribed medicine. I am early in my treatment (2 months) and am still coming to terms with the daily regiment and practice of abstaining from other opiates. I go to an addiction clinic for my treatment so I am surrounded by people just like me. The doctors that treat the patients there are really well informed and specialize in this type of practice and the staff are really welcoming and treat you like you treat them. A real "Golden Rule" place.

I am glad to here that the hero in the story "ReRaise" is doing well and it does the heart good to see so many people had his back. I kept scrolling down to make sure ReRaise eventually replied and then scroll back up to keep the tension in the story. Even the Dali Lama (Subox Doc) himself felt he should chime in.

How is it that the hospital (urgent care) had a notice about you taking suboxone? Up here in Canada, it is a matter of strict confidentiality. That info is released at your discretion only and to whom you choose. Example: My family doc could call the clinic I attend and ask for my file and they would pretend not to know who he is talking about. Obviously I would do the responsible thing in an emergency and include my current meds as part of my medical profile for interaction purposes. I have a card in my wallet like an organ donors card in the event that I am unconscious and can't communicate the necessary info myself. Down there they seem to be acting like Suboxone (or Methadone) are the Scarlet Letters of yesteryear. :evil:


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Very cool that doc who offered you the percs despite already knowing you were on subs treatment. I wish that C**T nurse could have seen you refuse the script. That would have been a fantastic way to slowly raise the middle finger in her face. Excellent and rare will power shown on your part in all instances of your situation.
Cheers and keep on keepin on!! :lol:


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