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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:40 am 
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Hi I wanted to start this thread just to talk about something that really hit home with me the other day and I would like to share it with some others.

I was talking with some one that I am lucky enough to be able to call my friend the other day
and I told them my situation with subs and basically everything about it. I dont know if this applies to anyone else
but when i am taking subs and I have no plan to quit I take anywhere from 16-20mgs per day and I rarely taper unless
I am planning on quitting and I often felt that I was not in control of the situation and that I was going backwards instead of forwards. SO I tell him this and he said to me something that really made a lot of sense to me and he says
"either it has you or you have it" and this applies to every possible situation that a person can be in.
Now I dont mean that suboxone has me because I am addicted but I mean that I didnt have it because of the way that I took my doses throughout the day and more some days than others and this really effected me.
What I do mean is that I felt like it had me and I wanted to feel like I had it because that gives me a sense of security and
I ultimatum feel better about myself. So what I did was stop taking it 3 or 4 times per day as needed and started taking the
same amount every day. I would take it when I woke up at 8:00 am and then before I went to sleep around 8:00pm and this made me feel a lot better. Then I started taking a little less every day and I started to feel a lot better about things. I felt like I
am choosing to take you suboxone and I am in charge here.

This can be applied to anything like I said earlier like lets say a bad break up for example. There are really only two different ways to react either you take it really hard or you just keep on cruising. And if "it has you" then it is going to take a lot of your energy and drive you crazy and cause you to do stupid things but if "you have it" even though it was not your decision then you can feel like ok I am fine with this and I dont need to waste my time crying and being depressed over this. I learned that I do have more control over my thoughts then I thought I had.

If maybe you are clean and for some reason come across a trigger remember this and SHIFT, which means actively realize what you are thinking is wrong or not healthy for you and then start thinking about something else. It may seem difficult at first but with a little practice this becomes very useful.


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Hi YA -

Thank you (and your friend) for sharing this way of thinking with us. I think it's a very important way to look at things. It gives one a sense of control over a situation where possibly that person has not control or feels they have no control.

For me, even though I take suboxone 3 times a day because I take it for pain, "I have it", because I don't take it when I feel bad emotionally like I used to with drugs. I take it strictly for the pain, and sometimes just twice a day at that. So although I take mine differently than many people take theirs, I still feel like because of the WAY I take them that "I have it".

I really do like this fresh, new way of looking at things. I'm going to put this away in my "toolbox"; might even share it with my therapist.

YOU ROCK - thanks again!

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Hey whats up young addict. Just wanted to let you know that I thought it was an amazing post, simple but amazing. It is a great way of looking at things and I think it will help alot of people put things in perspective (including myself). Thanks again :D

"Either it has you or you have it" Love it!!


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I like it! Very true and a great way of looking at things. This can be applied to many of the problems and side effects associated with suboxone as well. For example, people complain of feeling somewhat antisocial (including me). In which case, one should make plans with others and put themselves in situations where they have to be social. Regardless of what solution one employs to resolve the situation, the fact is that the CHOOSE to regain control of the situation instead of CHOOSING to feel helpless about the matter.

Good for you taking control of the situation and making a decision to change your circumstances so you can change how you feel about it. Thanks for posting about it.

Cherie


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It kind of reminds me of a lyric from a song I really like. The lyric goes like this:

Do you have your bags, or do your bags have you?

Same idea. 8)


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When I checked this forum earlier today and saw that people replied I got really excited and i got an idea at the same time. :D
I thought this would be a good place for us to post other tools that we use as addicts that help us with our addiction on a day to day basis. I feel that a lot of sub users (including myself until recently) take their medication everyday and feel that this is enough. I think that it is incredibly useful to start working on ourselves especially while on suboxone so that when it comes time to stop the subs we will be more prepared. What I mean is self reflection and deep thought about what may have caused us to not want to deal with life on lifes terms so when we quit subs we will be ready and more likely to stay clean. Suboxone kinda makes me feel like I am not an addict and I can live a normal life which is a good thing but can also be decieving because when we quit subs the cravings and old thoughts resurface so now that I am on my last stretch with subs I have been thinking a lot about what caused my past destructive behavior and I wish that I would have started thinking about this earlier.

Anyways I would like to talk more about tools besides suboxone that helps myself and other addicts. I talked about "either it has you or you have it" last night and got a lot of great responses. Tonight I want to talk about something that help me tremendously as well and that is the power of "SOURCE" or "SOURCING something".

So the power of SOURCE is all about the way that we as human beings think. A lot of times I put a lot of thought into things which in a way causes them to come true. Lets use for an example: I have been a little insecure in one of my past relationships and I did not trust my girlfriend and I thought that she was going to leave me and I always thought like this and I even expressed this to her. My fear was so deep that I started to not trust her and smother her and she realized how insecure I really was. Well since I feared this so much and I did not trust her she became very unatracted to me and felt like she couldnt do anything without me questioning her and became very smothered and guess what she left me. So because I thought about this fear of her leaving me so much I actually caused it to happen. This can be applied to any situation lets say that your biggest fear is relapsing and its all you can think about all of the time well that pressence of drugs in your mind may cause you to think about drugs more often then you should and cause so much stress that eventually you may relapse. So we have a lot of power over our thoughts and what really happens in out lives. I look at it like I should only think about possitive things because I am a strong believer in "my thoughts effect the way I talk and the way I talk becomes the way I act" or "my thoughts become my words and my words become my actions. '

SO the power of source can also be used in the opposite way which is awesome. If we can channel our thoughts into a positive direction then our thoughts are more likely to cause that to come true. Lets say for example: I have a job interview and I prepare myself and go into the interview thinking "i got this no matter what and I am the best person for this job, I am absolutley going to dominate" rather than thinking "I am never going to get this job because there is probably someone else out there that can do better" the first way of thinking, the possitive way will actually give me better chances of getting the job. So the way we think has incredible power over the way things actually turn out. More than we can even imagine. And we can source anything that we put our minds to.

With addiction we must know and think that we are powerless over our addiction and anyone that has been an addict knows that this is true so we must think this way. But I dont think that we should have this approach to the rest of our lives because we do have a lot of power and our minds are incredibly powerful and this power can either be an icredible tool to help us or it can work against us depending on how we use it.

"I cannot change what happened. No one can. It happened and its over.
I can change what I decided about it and because of it."

I hope that people see this and find it helpful and I also hope that anyone else out there that has anything that helps them will share.


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