Shanks1224 wrote:Ok, so I have a quick question. At this point I have been at about .25 mg(+\-) for about a week now. Cutting up my 2mg pills into 1/8's isn't an exact science, they don't usually produce a consistent dose. Is there any way to be more precise? I have heard of the liquid method. Anybody have any advice?
check this method out, as well.... sounds fairly consistent to ME...
Here's the first post......
Success! Taper off suboxone with the "Hole Punch" method
Tapering with the "hole punch" method
After 10 years of opiates ..... which was 5 1/2 years of (200-300mg/day) Loritab followed by 4 1/2 years of 16 mg. day suboxone I had had enough. And so I began tapering in January of 2012 and in March 2012 I tried jumping off at 4mg (insane... waaay too much pain)
So I continued to reduce my suboxone dosage and by May 2012 I had weaned down some more and tried jumping off again at 2mg (again...terrible pain... What the He'll was I thinking?) I read a lot of forums and realized that I was jumping off at too high of mg. I learned that jumping off suboxone without going through absolute Withdrawal Hell would require a gradual measured taper to a VERY VERY low dose.
So I immediately went to the 2mg strip instead of the 8 mg (since I had gotten down to 2mg anyway) and started cutting the 2 mg strip up in halves and fourths in order to correctly measure the taper dosage.
Now cutting the 2 mg strip gets aggravating as Hell when you start getting to real small doses (and if you want to jump off with the least pain you must taper down to the real low doses... And I do mean REAL LOW doses.)
So over this past summer (2012) I eventually got down to 1/8 of a 2 mg strip/day (which is .25 mg) and here is where I saw how hard it is to get the 1/8 pieces the same size. I really wanted to taper further but this seemed impossible because of the difficulty of uniformity and size in the dosage...
But then it hit me.
Why not use the wife's scrapbook hole puncher on the 2 mg strips?
So I tried it and it worked! I could punch out 6 perfect little round pieces from one-2mg. strip!
Now I have got real dosage uniformity! A small amount of strip was wasted but I wanted to be done with this shit so that really didn't matter to me.
Now here's the cool part...
I then cut the "hole punches" into 1/2 and 1/4 pieces with a razor (like a pie)
and I started tapering from there (first taking the whole circle punch, then 3/4 hole punch then 1/2 then 1/4).
Now if you want to know how small 1/4 of a hole punch is go look at one... that's pretty small.
You must use tweezers to pick it up and you must put it under your tongue while looking in a mirror to make sure you got it! Now... You might think that 1/4 of a "hole punch" from a 2 mg strip is not enough suboxone to do anyone any good....
but you would be wrong... Suboxone is powerful shit...
and that tiny piece (that was so small you could not even taste it) will make a big difference in your day once you have tapered that far down (I can't believe I was doing 16 mg/day for almost 5 years!)
Im not sure how much 1/4 of a hole punch is but Im pretty sure it's less than 10% of 1 mg! How fast or slow you are to taper is covered in great detail in many threads by some wonderful people on this site. All I am adding to the subject is a way to bring your dosage down to a very small amount in a uniform way.
My personal suggestion is to take it slow (maybe 25% reduction every week or 10 days) till you are down to 1/4 of a "hole punch". Many people fail in getting off of suboxone because the withdrawal pains are just too much to bear....
but the fact is they are jumping off at too high of a dosage (believe me... i know!) Even 1/8 of a 2 mg strip can be a painful place to quit from (I tried that too!) Most folks have lives and families and jobs and they must continue on With their lives as they taper down. With the "hole punch" method you are uniformly making 1/8 of a 2 mg. strip 4 times smaller and so you can take your dosage down in a uniform manner to infinitesimal sizes!
Now believe it or not I still had some withdrawal symptoms jumping from 1/4 of a hole punch! but they were nothing compared to jumping from 1 mg or 2 mg!
I had a few hot and cold spells and a little RLS for a couple of nights and I couldn't sleep for a week. Other than that everything was good! No diarrhea, very little bone aches, no terrible RLS (only mild) and very little depression (which is what frightened me most).
All in all my withdrawals were short in duration and very mild and I cannot believe that I am finally opiate free after 10 years! If your serious about tapering off suboxone try getting down to the 2 mg strip and go down to the "hole punch" size from there and then cut the hole punch into tiny slices from there. Just remember to take your time and remain disciplined... The smaller you take your taper the easier it will be on your life when you finally "jump". You can do it this way! Taper slow and taper small! God bless you all and good luck!
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