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I am nervous about taking anything that is going to zap more energy from me. ALthough I know I need to sleep, which I assume will give me more energy in the long run. SO many decisions! I am hoping all these herbs are a natural way to stimulate my life without the introduction of any new drug.


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well since you are feeling better every day and not worse it'd be foolish to return to the sub, i think the reason you are feeling as crappy as you are is from lack of sleep.....when i went through that i started taking benzo's even though i wasn't prescribed them....you just have to be careful not to get addicted to them, luckily for me i don't like the way they make me feel


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try TIME RELEASE MELATONIN...the regular melatonin is hit or miss....you will feel groggy the next day but it is a small price to pay since you must catch up on sleep....what is it exactly that is preventing you from sleeping


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Hey LightAtTheEnd,
First of all I'd like to say way to go! Sounds like you're very motivatided & I must say I truly admire your self control, if I myself was in w/d's & I had a 3month supply of Subz I can't honestly say I would beable to exibit the strength & willpower you have. I will say from personal experience I don't find that sleep-aids i.e. Ambien, Trazadone & even Tylenol P.M. help with w/d's- in my personal experience they will help me to fall asleep for a very short time & I will proceed to wake up with even worse insomnia & rls etc. But- everyone is different & what may not work for one person may work well for the next :)
Good Luck to you & I look forward to reading your updates on your progress!

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First off, only see a pain management specialist for this stuff which I assume is 99% the cases here I'd hope.

I've been on it for 4 weeks. Started the first two days at 8mg and then found I was fine taking 2mg or 1/4 of a SL strip daily.

Been like that for 2-3 weeks.

My doctor had this planned for me getting off completely. (like your doc, he said I could just stay on this as long as I was comfortable but I hate being dependent on something and hate the side effects more.)

He told me that since I was already just on 2mg/day for the past week or so, to stay like that another week to 10 days. Then go to 2 mg every other day for another 2-3 weeks. Then an 1mg daily for a week, then 1mg every other day for a few weeks then move it to every 3 or 4 days for a bit and stop. It's longer but far less cruel and smarter imho. Hope this helps.

Best of luck!


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Slept for about 6 hours last night, although I laid in bed from 8pm to 6am without having the energy to get out of bed! Was very groggy when I woke up and am still very lethargic today. Trying to get going so I can go to Story time with my kids but it doesnt look like thats going to happen today. Cant get off the couch!


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Hi LightattheEnd :)

I wish I had more time to write because like so many who have replied to you, I can totally empathize as well. Since I have to jump off the computer now, I just want to say that IT WILL GET BETTER, I promise! I know it feels like it will never end, like it's hopeless and nobody can possibly understand just how bad it is. I assure you, you aren't alone! I felt the same way - all the things you described - and I felt like I would rather not wake up than continue like that. But there are awesome ppl on this forum and they helped me keep going and pushing through... and finally, I started to feel better. It's been almost 2 1/2 months and I'm so glad I didn't cave. I had 100 sub pills which I could have used at any time (because the doc wayyyyy overprescribed my sub so I always had 4 x's what I needed) but I just wanted to be free of the merry-go-round of needing a med and trying to get off and going back and on and on.... for me, it had to end and I knew that at my core.

Anyway, I'm so glad I didn't give up and you will be too! You're almost there, even if you don't feel like it. I copy/pasted what someone else posted before me (now I forget who it was, sorry) but they said: I feel so much more alive and "involved" with life. Hang in there. Try and treat the worse of the symptoms and stick with it. LOL>. seem strange that we go on sub so we dont have to deal with wd only to make it longer (for most of us). BUt it so worth it not to be so dependent on a medication to function. I copied that because I could not agree more!

You're stronger than you know. You'll find so much support here. My taper and quit story are on the forum if you're interested. Other ppl's stories and support helped me more than anything. I'm pulling for you. Keep us posted and feel free to vent any time!

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It was Birdie who I quoted above. Sorry I forgot. Brain cells still on hiatus - lol :oops:


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Tried to make through a nights sleep without the trazadone and just the melatonin, needless to say I am awake. I just took some trazadone and am drinking some chocolate milk before hitting the rack, figured I would touch base. Hoepfully I will not be to groggy in the morning.

My vacation is over tomorrow so it is back to work on thursday which I think is giving me come anxiety and might be affecting my sleep. T

Thanks for all the support, Ill keep bulldozing through the thelargy and keep you guys posted.


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Got a few hours of sleep after I took the trazadone at about midnight. But it does make me very groggy in morning, even more so if you take it after your roll around and cant sleep for a while. Still just having trouble getting the energy to get out of bed. I have to say, I do not have the chills anymore, the only lingering w/d's are the EXTREME lethargy and trouble sleeping.

So I would have to say I feel better then those first few weeks. Im just cant wait to get some energy and motivation back.


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Light- Have you used L-Tyrosine 2000 mg with B-12 one hour before eating in the morning? That helped me immensely. Also Potassium for the anxiety. I loosley followed the "Thomas Recipe" which you can google. Hang in there it will get better. With me it happened overnight, feel like shit one day, feel great the next. Hang tough you will come out of this soon.


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Well, at least you got some sleep. I know it's not the greatest when it's drugged, but it's better than nothing, huh? Let me just tell you that you are heroic for going back to work. I cannot even imagine, but I know you will most likely say it was a good thing to go back. And thanks for saying the chills are gone! I'm so dang happy to hear that!!!

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I know how you feel. I was on sub for 3 and a half almost 4 years and jumped at 16 mg 12 days ago. I can tell you it wasnt pretty for the first week or so. I just got sick of being a slave to this wonder drug. It will get better. remember your brain chem is all out of whack. so give it time. the body is an incredibly resilient machine. feed it let it sleep think positive thoughts. you ve made it twice as long as I. It will get better. just tell yourself you do not need a pill to make you ffeel better. good luck keep it up...


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 Post subject: 29 days today!
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I do not want to ginx it but I am starting to feel a bit better. Still lethargic in the morning have trouble getting out of bed. Then I spend about an hour watching tv and drinking my coffee getting prepared to go to work. Once I am at work in the thick of it im going at least.

All of a sudden I have been yarning way more and sneezing less. I also have been getting bloody noses. It was wierd today I had some random chills, nothing crazy but annoying.

Thank you all for your supportive words. I wish all of you making or thinking of making the jump the best. I will be off for the next three days after tomorrow and will document some more progress.


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Hello L.A.T.E,
I haven't been on the site for a few days as I'm going through some stuff myself but I wanted to check up & see if you had posted any recent progress & from the sounds of it things are getting better, slowly but surely, the biggest fear I have is that it's gonna get worse for me when I start to taper or finish my taper, you see I had an awful experience comming off Methadone 5mgs a day because I had to due to loss of insurance, so anyways my point being is I am afraid this detox with resemble that of the Methadone... I've been on Sub since late Jan. (As well as 14 months starting in 2009) And take no more than 4mgs a day somedays I Even go without any some days since it is difficult for me to afford the Sub w/o ins. I have 4 strips left & plan to portion them out for the next week or so then completely go off, I might start a thread of my own seeing as how yours was quite successful with replies but I may just beable to find what I'm looking for on here from other threads and such.
Good luck to you & congrats on how far you've made it you seem to be doing an amazing job, I will befollowing right behind all of you on this journey of becoming completely opiate free shortly...


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 Post subject: Today is 33 days...
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I have benn off work for three days and have to tell you the lethargy is still got a lock on me. The days I go to work are better then the days I am home. When I am home all I can do is lay around. I feel like CRAP with zero energy. Not enough to climb the dang stairs. I am starting to get a bit frustrated, and I think it is completely ignorant that my Doc told me I would feel bad for three days and then it would be over...Ha...Three days, try 33 and still feeling lousy. I read of everyone elses success and it makes me want to hang on. The love of life again, having interest in things, energy to go bike riding. These are all things I have missed for many many years. Now I am missing my childrens childhood and it makes me feel bad, really bad. I do not want to look back at this summer and realize I have missed my childrens entire summer. Even worse I do not want to look back in ten years and realize I missed thier lives. I want my wife to know I am soon going to be the man I once was...but days like today make me feel like I might be lying...maybe my brain is permantly damaged! I know time heals, and that pathways need to be reopened...but damn how can you live your life like this.


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You said you had been on opiates for a pretty long time. Maybe that's why your symptoms are worse than others.. Hang in there! Your story is inspiring even that you have gone this long with these horrible withdrawals. You don't want to go back on Sub after all you've been through. I will echo some others who have said to get some sleeping pills.

I am coming down off a low dose and just using old medications that I never throw out. Klonopin, Vistaril, and Seroquel. They don't do much but just being sedated is good, although I know you said that's part of the problem too.

You said you were able to work out after drinking mesomorph? That is a good thing. What about just taking walks? Even if you have very little energy, maybe try to go for short walks with the wife.

I can relate to the uncontrollable sobbing too. Even suicidal thoughts, although I always had major depression.

Keep posting here and we all hope you feel better :)


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 Post subject: Day 36
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Had a real tough day at work yesterday. Was expierencing rolling w/d effects I hadnt felt in weeks. Got the chills all day, sweating through my shirt and extreme lethargy. I cannot believe how long the effects linger, I just keep circling back to my doc telling me three days and it will be over...If I was this misinformed about the necessary info at my job I would get fired.

Tired to sleep last nite without the trazadone to see how it would go, and as you would imagine it wasnt great. Still damn tired when I wake up. Thats the worse part, I miss the days when you wake up ready for your day without any stimulant.

I'll just keep chugging along, thanks for all the suport and good luck with your battles.


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1st time posting here, been reading for days.Not sure how to feel, reading you makes me wanna cry ...day8 here, i can relate big time, its hard for me to make it to the kitchen without falling off. sooooooooo weak, seeing how hard it is for you after all this time is extremely discouraging. On the other hand, this forum makes me feel like i am not alone.I am in a foreign country and my surroundings here know nothing of addictions, i feel like i am dramatizing it, telling myself this is nothing compared to real hard core opiate w\d, which i have experienced in the past.Hey my ankles only droves me crazy for 3 days ...I guess its mostly the 0 energy level and the boredom thats getting to me. If only i could play World of Warcraft again like i did 9 days ago, time would go by... I do NOT understand how anyone has any energy to exercise another subjet i find totaly depressing here.


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I cant stress enough how much excercise will help bring your energy back.. I dragged my butt to the gym almost every day after I jumped and each time I found that going helped me feel good even though some days it felt impossible to excercise ( those days I just hit the treadmill) .

I know its hard to do as I have been there ( last dose of subs was april 15th) but it does help.....


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