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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:59 pm 
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One of the indicators for my use of heroin was that it would "pin" my eyes, making the pupils as small as a pin head. When I was coming off my heroin use, just the opposite would happen, the pupils of my eyes would become huge! I am on 16 mg's. of sub per day. The Sub still "pins" my eyes and I was wondering if anyone else experiences this? My wife still believes that I'm doing H even though I am not...HELP Please!!!!!!


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Yup.. sub pins the pupils. Totally normal.


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Oh yea. Def get pin eyes. You're not the only one, don't worry. Now that I've stopped subs they are huge. I look bright eyed and bushy tailed :shock:


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Thnks y'all...!!!!! I love this site!! I have learned more about Sub on this site than I ever learned through my Doc. Here's another quick question that you guys & gals might be able to help me with. Is my family Doc able to prescribe Suboxone to me?? My Sub doc is a joke. does not accept insurance, personal checks or credit cards. Strictly a cash transaction. I get the feeling that he's out to get as much cash from his patients, or more like his "customers". than anything else. Yeah, he seems caring enough and asks all the right questions, but the whole cash only thing makes me question his true intentions / integrity, ya know what I mean?!?! I am fortunate in that my insurance does cover the script with a $40 co-pay, but handing him $150 cash everytime I walk in the door?? The flip side is that it's dangerous handing an addict like me cold hard cash, knowing that 30 minutes down the road is where I would really like to be spending the cash. I do not believe that my family Doc can prescribe the Subs, but I figured that I would ask. As always, thanks for everyone's responses!!


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You're welcome... We try our best to help.

As far as your fam doctor,... unless he has a special license after taking a course, then no, he cannot prescribe it. But who knows, maybe you could ask. If he can't, he might be able to help you out to find another doctor that can perscribe it. You could always search around the web, phone book, to find aother sub doctors.

Good luck! And never forget to smile :)

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Hi peteg54,

I'm with the rest about getting pin eyes on Suboxone. What I worry about is getting pulled over for some dumb reason and the cop asking me why my pupils are pins. "Ah, yes officer, I am taking a legal drug that does that and it's okay to operate a car while on it." Hopefully I won't ever get pulled over. I rarely break the traffic laws, just bend them a bit too far sometimes.

Have you done a thorough search for all the Sub Dr.'s and cross reference them with who your insurance covers? That took me awhile to do. After I had my list I started the phone calls. First I'd ask if the Dr. was addiction specialist and then I'd get the quiet time and then "yea". One said no, he prescribes the Sub only for pain. Something very wrong with that one. But finally I found one that took my insurance plus copay as paid in full. He really cared about his patients recovery. Too bad I had to move away. Then I found another one in my new state and he is also very good. Both of them I made my family GP.

The phone calls will get you down. It took me hours each time and it seemed like I was at the bottom of my list both times. All you can do is try.

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oh yeah sub pinns my pupils too.

I believe that was a huge reason a cop accused me of being impaired and grilled me on my use of medications. She could not stop looking at my eyes and shining a flashlight in them. Like a total dumb ass I told the cop I was prescribed sub. That gave her reason enough to arrest me for dui. Luckly I got it reduced but Im still paying a shit ton of money to the court and Im on probation.

My advice is to not admit to any drug use (prescribed or not) to any cop who pulls you over. I doubt sub is a drug they would test for at this point in time anyway.

As for paying cash for your doctor, I can see how that would feel sketchy. However, insurance companies are a huge pain in the butt to deal with. If you have a good caring doctor I wouldn't stress on it too much. Can you fill out forms so your insurance will reimburse you?Your doctors office should be able to help you with that.

Anyway, good luck and keep asking any questions you have! This is a super supportive place!


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As always, I greatly appreciate everyone's replies!! It is such a huge help to have my questions / concerns related to Sub therapy answered by folks who have been or are in this type of therapy. I have so many questions and it seems that there is so much to find out about Sub and there is no better forum for getting my questions answered than this one!! I just got done reading y'alls replies to my wife and she is blown away by the fact that you guys would take the time to reply and by how much info I can obtain from you guys...it's awesome!! Anyway, I was going to see my Doc every week for the first month and I am now going bi-monthly. I believe his plan is bi-monthly for a couple of months and then once a month, for how long I do not know. I will begin research on finding another Doc and also contact my family Doc, whom we as a family have a great relationship with, and see what I can find out. Regarding my family Doc, she is aware of my heroin addiction and has treated it with me in the past several years. She prescribed Naloxone (not sure if that's how it is spelled but I think it's close) along with a mild benzo to keep me from siezing. I stopped taking the Naloxone almost immediately, as it made me very anxious and also depressed, feelings that I had never experienced before and absolutely hated. The main reason for the Naloxone was that it is an opoid blocker and if I did use, it would block the affects of the H, which it definietly did...yes, the addict in me tried and found that I got nothing from using. I had asked her about Sub and she was not a fan due to the fact that it is an opioid and she flet that it was a substitute and in the long run I would become addicted to it. I still would like to know if she can prescribe it and I plan on finding out. I will let you guys know what I find out...again, thanks to everyone for posting and I will keep you all posted on what I find out!!


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I remember your DUI very clearly and that's what prompted my post about it. Everytime I drive I think about that. Our rights as citizens are pretty clear though. You don't have to say anything unrelated to the cause of being pulled over. If they go into sensitive areas, keep you mouth shut. They CAN and WILL use anything you say against you in a court of law. So why offer up information if you don't have to? I learned a lot from watching a few Youtube videos on concealed carry. I suggest others to know their rights before it's too late and you're in jail. I would hate to see another member getting thrown in jail because they are on Suboxone. Myself include.

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Dude, how in the HELL did you get a DUI for being on prescribed medication, at your normal dose? In that case 80% of the people on the road are impared, considering 80% of Americans take some sort of Rx drug. Thats just seems insane to me. Did he give you any feild sobriety tests? Did you fail them? I mean wtf?


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Rule...

I just watched some of those videos on you tube the other night. Amazing stuff huh? I learned alot! Then it recommended a couple where some guys were going through a DUI checkpoint...did you see them? If not I can try to find the link to it and post it if anyone is interested. I had NO IDEA that you could invoke your right to remain silent and not answer any questions at a road block. These guys would hand the cop either a card or piece of paper explaining that they were excercizing their right to remain silent and would not be allowing any kind of search of their property...and the cops just had to let them go, seriously...they didn't even roll the window down for them. I am amazed at how brainwashed the government has us when it comes to complying with these types of things. I figured that if anyone tried something like that they would be in jail quicker than you can say supercalifrajalisticexpealidocious. Wow, spell check anyone?


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Nah Sub doesn't pin my eyes. But shortly after I take my dose, my pupils do get smaller ... and a person who knows what to look for would be able to tell in the 2-3 hours after I dose.

But overall Sub does make my eyes look a bit "different" - a lil distant. Kinda like what I see on some of Dr. J's videos, though I'm not sure if Dr. J is on Sub.


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What videos are you talking about HorseGal? I don't see anything in this thread about youtube videos. I assume you mean videos of DUI checkpoints or something? Link please.
Also, TeeJay, TeeJay Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:24 pm Post subject:

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Nah Sub doesn't pin my eyes. But shortly after I take my dose, my pupils do get smaller ... and a person who knows what to look for would be able to tell in the 2-3 hours after I dose.


Yeah, your pupils getting smaller would be considered "pinning", even if they are not actually the size of a pin head exactly. It's an effect of any and all opiates.


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Hey Cutty, The reference to the YouTube video is in Rule's post that is quoted below...

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Our rights as citizens are pretty clear though. You don't have to say anything unrelated to the cause of being pulled over. If they go into sensitive areas, keep you mouth shut. They CAN and WILL use anything you say against you in a court of law. So why offer up information if you don't have to? I learned a lot from watching a few Youtube videos on concealed carry. I suggest others to know their rights before it's too late and you're in jail. I would hate to see another member getting thrown in jail because they are on Suboxone. Myself include.


I'm not sure exactly which ones he watched but I was also watching some about cops harrassing people who were legally open carrying weapons the other night. After I watched a few of those it started recommending others, you know how youtube is. The one I was referring to is this one.

http://youtu.be/0QT_3A--iU4

If the link doesn't work try searching - Man plays with police at DUI checkpoint

I really think it is a great idea for all of us to be educated about our rights. Maybe this will spark some interest. LOL


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yeah, unfortunately I researched my rights aftet I was charged.

The cop pulled me over on a dark rainy night because I "swerved" I then had trouble getting my ID out of my walled cause it was totally squeezed in there. Then she kept staring at my eyes. She did the feild sobriety tests and I thought I did ok. I was a bit nervous though and it was raining. And I was wearing my nurses clogs. Anyway she asked if i was on drugs after I blew a 0 on the brethalizer. I said no. Then she asked about prescription drugs. I NEVER should have admitted it.

Now I know better.I have seen those YouTube videos and they are great. Wish I had seen them sooner!


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I forget which ones I watched but I'm sure I could find them again. ghorsegal2 seemed to find them alright. Tomorrow I'll try to post the links if no one else hasn't. I need to rewatch them again anyway. You don't want to forget your rights and then give them away.

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Yeah but see, if you don't admit that you use prescription drugs and they find out you do(me personally I carry around a few suboxone in my wallet and my prescription)then you will be charged with giving false info. So you're fucked either way i guess. But, so is the way of our country.. :x


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Regarding your question whether your family doctor can prescribe sub. It requires a waiver and a bit of work but it is not that difficult. Sounds like they may have some familiarity with addictions if she prescribed naloxone for you. Consider this: copy the links to this and Dr. J sites. Tell her the waiver takes 8 hours, she gets CME and it is free. Best of all, your first patient would be real cool... ME.
good luck, it won't happen unless you ask. PAX


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peteg54 Tell her the waiver takes 8 hours, she gets CME and it is free. Best of all, your first patient would be real cool... ME.
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Are you kidding me???? It is FREE??? I would love to know why more doctors aren't doing this...


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It's my understanding that the only time a doctor needs the waiver to prescribe Suboxone is if they are prescribing Suboxone to treat opiate addiction. Technically, a doctor could write a script for Suboxone for pain relief and not require the waiver.....to the best of my understanding.

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