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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:45 pm 
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Hi guys...this is the first time ive ever posted in any forum ever but im ery scared of what my options might be....

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I was addicted to oxycodone, i ate it and snorted it but i never ever injected it. i knew that i needed to get help and all on my own without being pushed by anyone i went to a PM doctor and began a suboxone treatment. I was doing extremely well, i have not relapsed at all since i began my treatment in December 2012. well last month I started realizing how much my life was effected by my oxycodone addiction...all the friends ive lost, and time ive lost and family events ive missed, and i kind of got pretty depressed. I started taking more than my prescribed dose of suboxone(i was prescribed 1 tab a day but i started taking 1.5 or 2 a day....in the end i dont think i ever actually got 'high' i think anything i felt was probably all mental) well anyways...this went on for about 2 weeks of taking more than prescribed until i finally said to myself "wtf am i doing this is stupid i really just want to do the treatment the right way and be done with this." i also think the fact that the dr i was seeing didn't really seem to care at all, kind of got my mind off track of getting better( i waited at least an hour beyond my appointment time to be seen and when i was finally seen the dr spent MAYBE 5 minutes with me printed a script and i was out the door..oh yeah and i saw a different DR EVER SINGLE TIME i went)

SO...basically, i took more than prescribed for about 2 weeks. Obviously I was going to run out of suboxone before my next appointment. So, being the good boy that i always was meant to be, I called the doctors office, told the receptionist that i had been taking more than i was supposed to and that i needed to see the doctor for an 'emergency visit.' they scheduled me an appointment the same day.

I got to the Dr.'s office and I told the DR. the truth(which i thought was a good thing to do BIG MISTAKE APPARENTLY). well i told him i was taking more than i was supposed to and i realize it was a mistake and apologized blah blah and before i was even finished telling him the whole ordeal he was already typing shit on his computer, printed out a script for 45 subs @1.5 a day "weaning" and was told i need intensive IN-patient rehab and i could no longer receive sub treatment from them. I explained that i cant do that because i need to work in order to get healthcare in order to get help with my addiction, i also told him that i planned on finding a therapist or some kind of support program. he said i had made too many early appointments (aside from this early appointment I had one other appointment about 2 months before this happened where i came in 4 days early because i was going to be away on vacation, and they should have told me at that appointment that it was a bad thing to make early appointments but they never said anything). DISCHARGED.

Now i understand that i screwed up, I do. and im willing to see a psychiatrist or therapist or w/e i need to do, in fact i want to, i think its a good idea. and i also dont really care to go back to this dr b/c it was just a bad place and i was planning on finding a new one before all this happened anyways. However I do feel that it is unfair. it was one mistake and i didnt hide it i was completely honest. i feel that one screw up should b allowed and i would have had no problem with being kicked out if it had been the second time i had screwed up.

anyways...im really worried that since i was discharged that im not going to be able to find another Dr. who will help. I was wondering if anybody else has had this happen to them before? what are my options....im going to ask if i can appeal the discharge. or even ask if they can reinstate me so i can find somebody else without issue. or am i wrong that i will have an issue, can i just find another PM or maybe a psychiatrist who can prescribe me subs. when i first went i thought it would be like a few months and i would be off but ive been at the same dosage for 5 months now. im just really worried that im going to HAVE to do some kind of in-patient rehab or intensive out patient which i wouldnt have a problem with except the fact that i NEED to work and i NEED to function for work. im really worried that nobody will take me in. i did really well with my suboxone except for those 2 weeks and it seems unfair that i just be thrown to he wolves for one mistake that i was honest about. HELP?!?! :/


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:10 pm 
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Shouldn't be any problem for you to find another. They can share charts, etc, but the doctor's opinion isn't medical information about your condition, so he can't ruin you for the next doctor. Have I been there? Sorta...not exact circumstances, but close. Another doctor found, no problem. And my old doctor actually cut me down to 56 my last visit to him...when I saw the new doctor and they asked my dosage, I told them 3 per day. Was that my last script? No, he knocked me down to 2 per day but knew I wouldn't be back. It was like a "gotcha"for him to mess up my last visit...but I was put back to 3 per day no problem...my usual amount before the old doctor passed judgement on me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:21 pm 
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hello an welcome..
There are Drs. that wont give second chances.There are that do.
Some are just this way.No it does seem unfair and ive read it here on the forum before
and seen it myself just lastweek in my clinic.

So....i would start calling other drs.....Now.

You could call your old doc one more time but id just start looking around now
and the sooner the better..
Also, i would get that dose back down to 8mgs.or less.That way you could make your script
last louger..
Hope this helps.Time to take action on your part so you can continue on without getting sick
or miss work.
Im sure others will come aloug with a suggesion or two.

Hangin there....best of luck..


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Thank you guys for the quick feedback. I did cut back down to one tab already :) going to try cutting to 6 if it looks grim finding a new doc. I've been searching for days and kept finding these threads about people getting discharged for having different drugs in their pee tests and not being able to find a new doc but no threads on what happened to me. I was getting worried that it was going to be tough roads ahead. The sub treatment really has saved my life and its given me time to prepare and cope and I don't want 1 screw up to ruin that. Wish me luck!


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Hey Man,

It sounds like you needed to find a new doc anyway. I bet if you are completely honest with the doctor that you find you will be ok. The worst they will do is call and talk to your old doctor, and if you have been honest with them already about the situation you should be fine. Most doctors WILL give a second chance. I think you can find someone compassionate enough to see that you need just that.

BTW, don't worry about all that crap you're reading. You don't know if those people are being completely honest about the circumstances, and it REALLY depends on the doctor you find as to what they will allow. If they think you are trying to B.S. them they won't be as likely to help, but honesty will work wonders!


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IMO, it was because you were going to a pain management doctor instead of a GP or Internist, etc. Try to find a family doctor who is authorized to give out Suboxone. The Dr. I go to now is a family doctor just like the one I left in another city. They seem to be a bit more understanding IMO. Plus, the PM doctor is at risk all the time for over prescribing. They are probably scrutinized all the time and must be very careful about who they prescribe to. Once again, just my opinion.

The only question I asked of both my doctors was if they were addiction specialists. That point can be argued but they sure help a lot of addicts. Now let's see if you can find one that will work more closely on your addiction. You did say maybe a psychiatrist would help and I agree. One that is trained on Suboxone treatment would be great if you can find one.

I do hope you find a lot of choices where you live. It all depends on the city. Mine is large so there are a lot of choices for me. Others don't have that luxury and have to settle with whatever is within driving distance.

Let us know how it works out for you.

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I live in Montgomery county, Maryland, right outside of Washington, DC so its a pretty big area and there are lots of doctors,,,the only problem is we are one of the worst if not THE worst county in the USA when it comes to painkiller addiction and Dr.s who over prescribe so i hope that doesn't come back to bite me in the ass but i think i should be alright, thank you guys again for the info...I was terrified that I wouldn't be able to continue suboxone treatment anywhere but you guys give me hope :) haha
I will definitely let you know how everything goes...I FINALLY have a day off tomorrow so I plan on calling around to a lot of places to see what my options are. Thanks again!


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Just wanted to let you all know that I have an appointment lined up for Monday with a family doctor I found on the suboxone website. I'm not sure if that means I'm in the clear yet but it was the first place I called that actually had a nice lady answer the phone instead of a machine. I haven't talked to the doctor yet but I told the receptionist I was a suboxone patient coming from another doctor with a bad doctor experience. Any suggestions for what to tell the doc when I see him? I think honesty is the best route but if you think telling him I was discharged for taking too much of my meds is a bad idea let me know. I plan on stopping by the old Dr. tomorrow to grab my discharge letter and whatever medical records they will give me. Maybe ill ask if it is possible to be reinstated only so I can transfer docs not because I want to continue with them. Any ideas, suggestions, comments, or just a nice word of encouragement would be appreciated :) Thanks guys!


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I would say honesty is the way to start out...you don't want to get into old, addict behavior by lying to a new doctor. Get the right start, and you should be able to stay in with this doctor without any problem whatsoever...
If you start by lying, then you have to continue the lie..and eventually it may come back to bite you...
If nothing else, tell them exactly what happened, but when you talk about taking too much, say that you were still feeling withdrawals or you didn't feel like you normally felt on Suboxone, and took a small amount more. Naturally over time you're going to build a SLIGHT tolerance with Suboxone, but no so much that you should be in withdrawals..however, the brain is a powerful piece of grey matter...it can do some pretty weird things to you...and convince you of things that really aren't true..

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Congratulations on landing an appointment, PN! I think that Jonathan is correct. I would be as honest as possible when you're heading into a new doctor-patient relationship. At least then you know that he is not going to find out later and fire you!

I'm sorry your first doctor was such an ass. Didn't he know that he was treating an addict? Didn't he know that addicts screw up and that it's part of the disorder? I honestly wish I could clone my doctor and send him all over the U.S.!

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