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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:35 pm 
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Hi all. Today is day 11. I have been crazy busy between taking care of a little one, doc appts, and phone calls about this upcoming surgery. Just like with anything else involving ANY type of insurance co., it's been a runaround, headache, frustrating, and I have had to practice some serious self-control! I also haven't been keeping up with posting on anyone else's thread! I'm a very selfish poster! Lol. I've been keeping busy, and have plans to get out today; just not to the beach or a park! I can't hang with the crowds and a toddler!

As far as symptoms, they still come in waves. I have a hard time getting to sleep, but still sleeping longer once I do. Last night was the exception though. I woke up about 3 am with that angry, flopping around feeling because I felt that I was so close to getting back to sleep, but couldn't. So I took more clonidine. Okay, is it just me, or does clonidine make you want to get up and eat in the middle of the night? Whenever I wake up after a clon dose, I want to go grab a snack! ?Weird. Anyway, hope you all have a great day!

Oh...here's my song for the day; I love how it makes a mockery of the whole "rockstar" cliche:

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I've been having issues with insurance as well (so can empathize with what your going through on that front, they had had me in an almost murderous rage, I slammed the phone down on one ignorant B, halfway through a 'converstation', she was so antagonistic, rather than helpful, and I started out being as polite as could possibly muster, with the "draw more flys with honey" theory, which was probably interpreted as a sign of me being a pushover who she could get off the phone with quickly, and return to filing her nails), starting out with even find a ortho surgeon in their HMO 'network' (that is half bogus) who would see me right away. Than they didn't want to pay for a cat scan, figuring Xrays were good enough, etc. Gonna be hell finding and obtaining physical therapy which I am supposed to start in two weeks.

Nice tune. I enjoy sarcastic humor. Spinal Tap was a great movie.

"You bought a guitar, to punish your ma"

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I just noticed something weird, Mama, I joined the day before you joined, but it says you've been a member 6 months? Is it a glitch, or did you have another username at one time, and because of cookies or something that the site uses to keep track of members activity, it carried your membership time over to a new username? *shrugs*. Not important really, but it peaked my curiosity. Wonder what will happen if I create a new username account, like, "one_armed_bandit--no_more_oxy_please"

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Oooh, jackpot, three lemmon 714s! Those will help me sleep through oxy WDs, lol.

heh, 'ludes were actually before my time, but I remember some partier kids in high school were occasionally able to get a hold of some that came from Mexico, after they were made illegal in the US.


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PS, I recall they were practically considered to be something of a "date rape" drug in terms of girls losing their inhibitions, before the "date rape drug" term was coined. The guys who somehow got a hold of those rarities (probably stealing from parent's stash), could get the Virgin Mary to spread her legs before God got horny.


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mama, update please!!

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mama79 wrote:
I've been having issues with insurance as well (so can empathize with what your going through on that front, they had had me in an almost murderous rage, I slammed the phone down on one ignorant B, halfway through a 'converstation', she was so antagonistic, rather than helpful, and I started out being as polite as could possibly muster, with the "draw more flys with honey" theory, which was probably interpreted as a sign of me being a pushover who she could get off the phone with quickly, and return to filing her nails), starting out with even find a ortho surgeon in their HMO 'network' (that is half bogus) who would see me right away. Than they didn't want to pay for a cat scan, figuring Xrays were good enough, etc. Gonna be hell finding and obtaining physical therapy which I am supposed to start in two weeks.

Nice tune. I enjoy sarcastic humor. Spinal Tap was a great movie.

"You bought a guitar, to punish your ma"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4lT4Omk510

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Ya, boop, it is amazing how uncompassionate those freakin insurance people can be. To be fair, I'm sure they take a lot of shit from people, however, I took the exact same approach that you did (kind, respectful, patient, etc.), and apparently my surgeon approval is temporarily on "hold" due to the lack of supporting documents; apparently the professional opinion of an M.D. is not suffice with this particular insurance co! And so I had to seriously hustle on Wed & Thur to get a hold of, and actually visit, my last 2 doc offices (from my old insurance when I had PPO--I was seriously spoiled with that) and get them to fax med records before the start of the 3 day weekend. Luckily, they were compassionate and sympathetic to my situation and said that they would put a note to get them out ASAP.

Thanks for the song! You can NEVER go wrong with Pink Floyd. And. no; I have not been around here for 6 months. I was a "lurker" for a few weeks before I started posting, but my first post on the last thread of "Tapering" is when I started. By the way, "one armed bandit" is a great name!

Ludes were also before my day, but I have heard many stories; especially from the old-timers around the program. When you mentioned Mexico I got that slight shiver of anxiety just thinking about all my former Mexico adventures. Sheeeesh, talk about a place where anything goes!!!

I'm really sorry you have to deal with yet another detox. That just plain sucks! But, you are a trooper and I know you will be just fine! I know I don't need to give you the "hang in there, it'll pass" speech because you already know that! Just keep doing what you've been doing! Hmmmmm...thinking of a song for the day. Ah! Got it! The talk of Mexico inspired it, just sayin...

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Romeo wrote:
mama, update please!!


As requested per Romeo:

Update, day 12: What seriously sucks right now is that I feel like I'm getting sick, but like for real sick. It's not just w/d symptoms, as they are pretty much coming to a halt. Just some sleep issues, and waking up with the watery eyes, some anxiety and mood swings, but nothing that I can't handle. I'm also in a lot of pain which is wearing on me both physically and mentally. However, I am truly grateful that I have made it this far and that at least the orders have been put through to make this fucking pain stop! And if I really do get sick, then I get sick, whatever.

Romeo, I'm going to catch up on your cig thread. I hope those little bastards aren't giving you that hard of a time!


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Hey mama! Ooof! You are really being tested now and I'm so sorry to hear it!
Sending you HEALING NRG through the ether!

On my day 2- my very worst day- auntie 'Flow" came to visit me by "surprise", and I was like "really God? You think this is funny or something??"
Listen to healing music- ask for help!! You are strong and I know you will be "fine" and even STRONGER very very soon!
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Hi mama, I can remember a couple times in the past where I quit heroin after a long run (and then went on methadone), and I always seemed to get sick during these periods. It was like colds and flu got stored up, then suddenly unleashed. It sucks. Hope you feel better soon.

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Hi mama, I can remember a couple times in the past where I quit heroin after a long run (and then went on methadone), and I always seemed to get sick during these periods. It was like colds and flu got stored up, then suddenly unleashed. It sucks. Hope you feel better soon.

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YES! The same thing would happen to me every other time I kicked! And exactly; it's like that shit stores up and once your clean, your body's like "take that, motherfucker!"


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Okay, officially fucking sick! Nausea and throwing up. These are also symptoms of the issue that I am having surgery for, so I guess I don't know if I actually caught something, or if it's just a side effect. Either way, it sucks! I now feel like I'm sort of kicking full opioid agonists because of the lingering sub w/d's, & now the relentless nausea. I feel like I can't do anything. I fell asleep for a little bit, now I'm just laying in bed feeling like hell, and figured I'd better post something. Well, that something is I feel like shit. I hope I can post differently later...


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Okay, officially fucking sick! Nausea and throwing up. These are also symptoms of the issue that I am having surgery for, so I guess I don't know if I actually caught something, or if it's just a side effect. Either way, it sucks! I now feel like I'm sort of kicking full opioid agonists because of the lingering sub w/d's, & now the relentless nausea. I feel like I can't do anything. I fell asleep for a little bit, now I'm just laying in bed feeling like hell, and figured I'd better post something. Well, that something is I feel like shit. I hope I can post differently later...


Oh, Mama :(

If you can get to a pharmacy or grocery, get some Dramamine (or preferably, store brand generic equivalent to save a little $), it can help with nausea in general, even tho it's marketed for motion sickness. Just gotta keep some down long enough to take effect. Maybe crush up into powder so absorbs faster, and funnel it down with a little ginger ale chaser (not too much, if large intake of fluids makes you puke). Get Canada Dry, it uses real ginger flavoring, as opposed to other brands, and ginger is supposed to help with nausea too.

They pharmacy might have a suppository version as well, to make sure it gets into your system.
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If you can hold in a plain water enema for even a short while, its a good way to rehydrate as well, as much gets absorbed into system. Stay close to toilet as first one might blast out if you have runs as well as vomiting, but than trying again usually can be held longer after flushing out any poo stew. Add a teeny pinch of salt into bag for electrolytes, or even better, add some pediatric electrolyte formula to the water. https://www.google.com/search?q=pediatr ... es+formula

That might all seem like extreme measures, so just a suggestion, but is best way to rehydrate if vomiting, short of an IV drip. It will make you feel better and stay healthy if you've been vomiting lots of fluids. Otherwise maybe go to ER for help to stop vomiting and get hydrated.


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I'd run to the store for you for nausea supplies or do whatever else might help (escort to ER), if I lived nearby. Wish I did. I don't mean to come off as presumptuous (assuming you'd accept such an offer of help from me) by saying as much. But you are special.


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Yes, Mama is very special. Oh sweetheart, I wish I could also join boop and get you what you need and take care of you...anything anything ANYTHING to help.....but all I can think of to do now is pray for you, and so I am praying, and visualizing you "well", and continuing to project healing energy your way.
If you are not improving by the time you read this, please do go to the ER and get checked, just in case, ok?
XOXOXO
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PS. The "throwing up" adds a new twist to our "detox diet" we are planning to market! For those wanting to shed even MORE weight quickly, we can throw in some type of virus/ bacteria to make them ill!
(hope that made you smile a bit :) )

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Lol, get clean-lose weight, catchy marketing strategy.

Mama sorry to hear you're not feeling well. Don't know what a prayer will do, but I'm saying one for you anyways.

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Hello mama79 ( :P year i was born). You probably know this trick, but, if not, thought i'd share with you. During my many bouts of dehydration, going to the closest drug store and buying a bottle or two of Pedialyte would help me out a lot. The consistancy of the fluid reminds me of spit, but if chilled enough it's bearable to get down. I'd sip on it for the day, finishing at least one bottle every 24-hours.

Hope today is a better one for you.


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Get well soon, mama!! We're all thinking of you and want your smart ass back on the forum pronto!! :)

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Hey mama. When i was around day 14, i felt sick. Terrible metallic taste in mouth, nausea, panic, sweating ect. I never really lost it and threw up, but i would have felt better for sure if i did. Your body is going through changes . Everything will seem pretty full on so hold,on please! I think day 12-16 were the hardest. Thats when everyday things start to reappear. I'm a few weeks in, and i still have the bad taste in my mouth and random nausea. Intrestingly, after a bad day, i seem to have an amazing day. Day 18 was blah, 19 was much better, and at day 20 i felt 90%. Prepair yourslef for the bad days, and cherish the good days. I feel lucky to be alive, so tgis is just another hurdle for us addicts. You got this mama! Its col to see your still updating here and staying sharp. Peace


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Wow! Thanks everyone for checking on me! This morning I am experiencing some serious pain and discomfort, so I think it has more to do with the other health issues I'm having, and not just a stomach bug I caught. And, like mojito said, I'm not out of the woods yet as far as w/d's, so being in intense pain, nausea, vomiting, all in conjunction with that is making this pretty challenging. I keep thinking how easy it would be to just go to an urgent care and get some pain meds. But, I know I can't go there and I just need to hang tight until this f'ing insurance company gets their shit together and gives the go ahead for my surgery.

boop & BF:You two are the bomb.com! If you were both nearby I would totally invite you to go shopping for me, then come on over and we could find something on Netflix to watch!

ji: Thanks for the thoughts and prayers

mojito: Man, I thought it would be nothing but smooth sailing from here! But, again, everyone's different and maybe it's just taking me a little longer.

wolf: I will definitely get some Pedialite today, even though I'm not sure what is inducing the throwing up, but it can't hurt.

Romeo: Ya, I'm a little off my game as far as "smartass" posts. You call it smartass, but I like to think of it as "charming wit".

Speaking of pain meds, since I will be going under the knife probably within the next 4 weeks (GOD, I hope!!!) is the sub going to be cleared out of my brain/body enough to where pain meds are going to have a full effect? I'm starting to think that maybe it is supposed to be pushed back a little while longer so that pain meds will take effect. I, obviously, have a high tolerance for opiates and remember having to double the dose of the meds after my last surgery the first 3 days. And it wasn't because I wanted to get high, but because the pain was freakin gnarly! And if I tell my surgeon that I have a history with opiates, I'm sure it will sound shady if I say that I need something a little stronger for the first few days. I don't know. I'm going way off topic so I will check in later...


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Maybe bring something in showing you were on subs a long time and stopped prior to surgery, "and it's 40x as strong as morphine my doc told me", mentioned in passing, and they'll hook you up with what you need to get through post-op pain. If they use anything like fentanyl for anesthesia, they'll probably get a clue you have high tolerance anyway, when it takes more to knock you out. They gave me dilaudid for a kidney stone a few years back (thankfully it passed fast and I wasn't on the stuff long or I would have been in world of shiite with my addiction issues), so they better give you something good!


Oh, and I think you'll be clear enough for surgery, if, when after about a month from 2 mg sub jump, a mere perc (not downplaying it as being dangerously habit forming/addicting, but its nothing compared to my H habit, or maybe even the subs which made me nod out on occasion) has been able to give some me some relief for arm/shoulder breakage. Doesn't almost knock me out like it would a normal person tho. Really, I think after a week you'd be able to go under anesthesia (especially since you tapered pretty low) as withdrawals are usually at their worst when the half (and quarter, and eighth...) life of the drug has finally left system. Even though it would take even more to put you under than waiting a month, usually cuz of tolerance still massively lingering, even when last traces of an opiate have finally left system for good, But it (tolerance) always seems to kick in faster than normal even after years of abstinence with us addicts, when compared to normal people.


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