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 Post subject: Day 5 Subutex WD
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:43 pm 
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Hello! I'm new here. I was addicted to OxyContin & Percoset for 3 years and on suboxone and then subutex for 20 months. It's been hell getting off of it, but I'm on Day 5. I feel MUCH better than I did on Day 3. I don't really have the option of hanging around since I have a very active 17 month old. I took some Hydrocodone for the first 3.5 days, only 1 every 6 hours. 2 nights I took 2 at night, which I'm thankful for. Last night I only had a Tylenol 3 to help me out and it was HELL. Pure torture feeling like my bones wanted to crawl out of my body.
I'm here today for 2 purposes. Reading this forum and many others through Google helped me so much with this struggle. Yes, I think taking hydrocodone does prolong the withdrawal process. My husband has been off of them for 9 & a half days and feels just as badly as I do because he took Hydro for 6 days. MIND YOU, we got clean off of all pills and suboxone about 2 and a half years ago and this was a MUCH better experience. So while it may have prolonged it, it also helped take the edge off and helped us sleep so we at least weren't dead with work and our son. Though Day 3 for me I pretty much was in a coma all day, lol. So that's just going to have to be your decision. And everyone is different. For me, I'm on Day 5 and feel GREAT. I just had a horrible night and anyone, an addict or not, withdrawing or not, will be tired when they don't sleep all night.
Suboxone/Subutex allowed me to have my son and be free of pills and needing to smoke one every single morning. Okay, more like 4-6 every morning but c'mon, we all know what I mean. I'm glad for it and happy I had it. But this ladies & gents, is the downfall to all good things. Even caffeine is a bitch to kick. You need to suck it up.

As much as you want to kill me for saying so, GET OFF YOUR ASS. It helps so much! Yes you feel like jello and your body is a thousand pounds. But when I'm up and out of the house, I don't feel like I'm withdrawing. The process of getting there is difficult, but so worth it. Take a bath. Get out in the fresh air.
If you don't need to be anywhere or up at 8am, take NyQuil or ZzzQuil at night. It helped us just made us groggy for a couple of hours in the morning. Hylands Restful legs helps a little. B12 Vitamin & a multi vitamin as little as you believe me does work. 5mg and honestly no more Hydro or 50mg Tramadol works a little. In very small amounts if it will not hinder your addiction problem. Lots and lots of water. Tell your family an friends you have the flu and do anything possible to not think about it. Go for a drive, listen to your music, anything that gets you out of bed not watching that television.

Hope I helped. Ill let you all know how Night 5, Day & Night 6 and etc go. I'm hoping the restless legs are almost over but I doubt it.

Oh, that was my next thing. Those of you past my Day 5, can you shed some light on when the nights get easier?


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Hey! Sounds like you're determined to get this done! I'm on day 7. I got off after 7 months on suboxone less than 2 mg a day...my story is different than most but the wds still kicked my ass for real! I stay home with my 4 year old after quoting my teaching job to go into the hospital for my depression and anxiety. Suboxone was going to help with my chronic pain and it did, but now I'm ready to move on. Day 3 and 4? You could of killed me. RLS was the most horrible part. I'd take Tylenol pm, Benadryl, nothing worked! But day 7 I slept like a rock! Still having lots of anxiety and stomach issues, but I'm doing it! I think you're coming up soon to a turn around in the RLS...it was about 3 days for me. I'm about to hit the gym in a bit to get this day going. Appreciate your message...hardest thing is wds with a kid!!!! They take every bit of your time! Keep it up!


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hey musiclover, i like your screen name! i love music too...lol. So now that your done with sub do you find music sounds more alive...like so many others do?

sry bout the wds, bit hey everyones gotta pay the piper at some point. It sounds like you have a very good attitude, with all the "get off your ass and do something " part. Staying active seems to be really important during wd...anything to get those endorphins flowin, and i also hear people say that music really helps them

oh, and welcome!


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Thanks guys!
Danyell I appreciate your story as well! It makes me feel great that the day will soon come where I won't feel this anymore! You sound a lot like what I MEANT to do, lol. Only a few week or months and then I'd get off of them. But we were blessed with a GERD baby with some very minor health issues but they were serious to us at the time, and no sleep. Anyway that kept the excuses rollin' for us! I'm hoping the RLS will be over soon. Unfortunately my husband still has them at night and last night was night 9 for him. I think he's about to be okay soon, but he doesn't believe that! Luckily he has a very active job.

Beautiful Disaster, like the Kelly Clarkson song? :) yes! I mean I've ALWAYS loved music, but yes. I can tell that it sounds so much better now!!! I can remember how it sounded years ago, how it was meh ok while on pills, better on subs, and now amazing! And yes it does help! Especially sice it's been sunny. I'm in Washington so I've been lucky to have sun during these WDs! My husband and I have a bit of a different view on what music we want right now though lol! He wants rock, I want rap. Usually we agree. Anyway, I'm really happy to have others to talk to. Thanks for the replies!


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Just wanted to say good luck. On day 5 I was feeling great. My withdrawals peaked on day 10 and are still going strong here on day 15. I jumped at 4mg after being on subs for 3 months. What caught my attention on the thread were the responses and what y'all said about music. I loved music until I became addicted to opiates. Went from listening to it all the time esp in my car to not at all. Last 2 years have been driving around with the radio off cause music no longer did anything for me. Just thought I was getting old I guess lol. Well I turned it on in the car a few days ago and it was like I was hearing it all for the first time. I love it again. Might go for a drive just so I can turn it up loud and distract my suffering mind and body for a bit. Funny how numb opiates make you to everything.


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I may be dating myself with this comment but Rage Against the Machine, Chevelle, System of a Down, some Nirvana, a little Florence + the Machine, mixed with Wiz Khalifa and Yelawolf??? Got the house cleaned...bam!! :)


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Little victories are the best.

Keep it up! A positive attitude does more for you then any amount of comfort medication will.

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this is my 3rd post. by the way wish everyone patience andfinish to this chapter of everyones lives. hopefully we all will look back at this and learn. I AM allan.66 years old 5 kids. 1 still at home. i am still happily married 40 years. although my marriage is strained. my wife doesnt understand what sub. wd is. i was prescribed vicodin 4 years. then decided i wanted off.went in hosp. 1 week detox. couldnt kick it. iam mad at doctors there was no monitoring my vicodin useage. they just kept precribing it .like it was candy.they never warned me about wd. after hosp. i was put on 2mg sub. this was jan 2012. so 1and a half years on sub .went to 3 different sub. specialists. 1st put me into hosp.oct.2012 for 4 days . after 15 days got sick wd. 2nd doc. upped dosage to 4 mg. wife said no way. next visit he said GOback on vicodin .3rd doc. is trying russian doc. put me on gabapentin --nurotin. currently im down to .125mg film per day. am getting nausea ackes and pains. extremely fatigued. no energy. iheard sub. was like apain killer . 10 times stronger than morphine . i think it can mask other problems. dont know what to expect if i ever get off. i love other posts.ialso love music elo old beatles and eagles. showing my age huh.so down to .125 film per day w nurotin. this my 2nd day. love feedback .lol of luck to all.


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Danyell we must be linked somehow! I listened to all of that besides Rage this morning.

So, Night 5 was a sleepless RLS night. I'm on Day 6 today. I guess I should be thankful that I went through the symptoms one at a time instead of all at once. But I have to say, I'm annoyed! Lol. I got NO SLEEP last night. I'm not sure how much. I did sleep a little maybe 3 hours total. I took 2 baths and the second one knocked me out. I took ZZZQuil like an idiot and felt so down and groggy this morning. I had to FORCE myself to get up!

Regardless, I'm going to be WD'ing, I'm going to have RLS, I'm going to be lethargic and have stomach issues. I might as well get up. The only time I don't have RLS is when I'm moving!!! So, I put on DisneyJR for my son & put music on my phone & cleaned!

My husband past Day 10 at 6pm last night and he was able to sleep okay. He didn't have much RLS at all. He did say around 11 that his body wanted to be awake. Lol not sure what that means but, it's probably better than being exhausted and not able to sleep!

I'm hoping tonight is better. :)


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Hey Al! Not just old timers love The Beatles & Eagles! I'm in love with both bands & I'm 25.
I'm sorry your wife doesn't understand. Maybe bring up some of the people's posts in here and let her see how EVERYONE who comes off of subs experience. You're doing the right thing in cutting down. Maybe it was too high of a jump? You should feel normal, or suboxone normal, if you're tapering down correctly. I felt great on 2 small pieces probably .35 each in the morning & at night. I thought that was a HUGE jump and was the lowest I could come down off of, but I was wrong! I'm WDing badly as well. But if you read my posts, I feel 80% better than I did Days 1-3 and even 4! I feel pretty great comparatively.

Maybe consider taking a bigger piece for a little while, then once you feel good on that, jump down again?


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So Night 6 wasn't awful. I couldn't get to sleep so I took a bath and a sleeping pill. I slept I think 4.5 hours and then couldn't sleep for about 2. Luckily my husband let me sleep until 9.

Today is Day 7 and I'm just exhausted. Either from the sleeping pill or my husband came with a sinus cold yesterday. Or my WDs who knows. Other than my legs being a little anxious and exhausted though I have no symptoms! MAYBE tomorrow I'll be okay?! My WD symptoms were terrible Days 2-4 but have been fine the last couple of days.


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Night 7 sucked. I decided not to take anything because it doesn't only not help, but I feel it made things worse. Around 230am I took some magnesium and that helped me sleep. It's all natural said to help RLS and ADHD.

just tired this morning from not sleeping.

Day 8 today.


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Although I'm not sure anyone's still here with me, it's nice to have a sort of diary about it.

I feel 10x better than I did when I woke 2 hours ago! My stomach is a little cranky, but all in all I have energy and don't even want a coffee. Lol. Which is RARE for me.


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Hi musiclover,

I've been following your thread, just never posted.

I think that's great that you use this as a diary. Every so often, you can go back and see how bad things were and how much better you're feeling now.

BTW, I like your taste in music. Doesn't music sound incredible now? I was blown away at how insanely awesome music sounded again after I quit Suboxone.

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Ahhhh I've been wondering when you were going to post on my thread! Lol.

Yes, music sounds AMAZING. After a long day out(for me lately anyway), my son fell asleep in the car and I drove around for a half an hour just blasting the music! It is just amazing. I've always loved music, but noticed myself "behind on the times" quite a bit when I was on opiates & suboxone!


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Day 10 started for me nearly an hour ago and I'm having a day. I'm down. I just want regular sleep. I am trying to stay strong mentally but right now I just can't. My husband has to work again today, and being alone makes it worse. He was done by now so why can't I be?


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You can NOT compare your wd to anyone else....especially with Suboxone. One thing I've learned after being on this site for a while is that no two people have the same wd.

Even if you and your husband were on the same dose for the same length of time and tapered down and jumped from the same dose, your wd experiences will not be exactly the same.

Some of us have a bit harder time with wd, some of us almost breeze through it. Why this is, I have no idea?

I do know this, your wd will get better with time.

For me, day 10 was my absolute worst day of wd symptoms. It broke me like a cheap plastic toy. I ended up kneeling beside the bed, sobbing and telling my wife I couldn't do it. I mean I was a puddle, but I never gave up. Actually, bawling like a wee little baby made me feel better.

Hang in there, we're behind ya!!!

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I am feeling Blue today too... It just feels over-whelming all of the sudden, but Romeo Is right. My wds seem to have gotten a lil better now, but my mind is really working on me today. I too am still up several times throughout the night, either something will wake me or I have to go to the bathroom. Then it is nearly impossible to get back to sleep. I think we are kinda in the same spot, but like Romeo said, everyones wds are different.

It does sound like frustration hit you today and I just wanted you to know you are not alone. I feel the same and the tears have been flowing for me today. We feel so lonely, but trust that you are definately not alone in this. I am going through it right here with ya! Today has felt very frustrating for me VERY!!!


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The sleep thing is the worst. It really does drain you. Even though I am getting more sleep than most, it has been an ordeal. I am up at all sorts of hours of the night, and most times I don't go back to bed. And then when I do, the slightest thing wakes me. I just keep telling myself that this will not last forever. One day, I will get a normal night's sleep!


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Day 11 is MUCH better! I actually slept last night!!! Yesterday was an emotional roller coaster, and I've had some cravings for other things, but I'm standing strong. Sitting here with my son playing in my hair lol. Listened to a lot of Mickey Avalon. That dude is hilarious.


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