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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:25 pm 
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Hi, I've been using oxycodone for about five years. I've been taking 8-10 15mg pills daily. I just started suboxone yesterday! First time ever trying to get off the oxys. Anyway, my doc said I should still be taking oxys with the suboxone, and gradually decreasing. Confusing at best. My understanding before starting this was to be totally off the oxys when starting this medication? Anyway I tried what he said and took 3 15mg oxy yesterday and 2 8mg suboxone. That was day one so I had no clue what to expect. I felt like I had been hit by a bus most of the day, with spurts of energy here and there. Night time I felt like I was loosing it! Crying, hot, felt sick, pain everywhere. I took the one clonazepam 2mg he prescribed for me to take at night. Slept pretty darn good. So today I started with one 8mg suboxone and no oxy. At this point I have no urge for the oxy. So am I ok with being totally done taking oxy? Doc said I'd have seizures maybe if I didn't wean them out, what do you think? Do I still have oxy in my system from 1pm (last time taken) yesterday? Can I just take the suboxone now? And do I need to take all three 8mg pills or should I try 2 first?

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Stop taking the oxys today!!! Mixing them at the wroug time can make you sick.ive never heard anyone taking these two meds at the sametime at induction..im not a dr. I cant tell you just how much of a dose you need roday. However it seems ro me you have gotten lucky that you arent sicker. Induction is started by being IN moderate withdraw before sub is ever taken. Hopefully some else will come along with more information. But as for now I would wait till I felt withdraw before taking anymore sub, and do not take anymore oxys...


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Ok thanks!! That's what I thought! He had me worried with the seizure talk, plus of course my mom is a support person and kept saying do what the doc said!!! So you think I should stop the suboxone too until I feel some withdrawal better? I'm feeling fine now but who knows maybe I still have oxy in my system! The last thing I want to do is prolong this ya know? Thanks so much for answering!!!!

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Your doctor is a complete fool I'm sorry to say. You don't take oxy's and suboxone together as Razor said. That's ridiculous and I'm stunned you aren't sicker than you say you are? Follow Razor's directions and stop the oxy's altogether and wait until you get in withdrawals before taking the sub. In fact I would get rid of them oxy's completely if you plan remaining on the subs.

I would try not to take any subs today and wait until tomorrow to give your system a little time to clean itself out. Then you could try the two 8 mg pills and see how you feel. That's quite a bit of sub and should hold you just fine. Can't believe your doctor suggested that?

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Wow thank you so much for your honesty! I didn't think the doc was right about that, geez, I even asked him a few times if he was sure it was a good idea to take them at the same time! I kept saying I thought the point was to stop the oxys completely! He even said to make an appt with my pain management dr to get one more oxy script. Ugh I'm so confused now! I'm guessing he was wrong about the seizure risk too?? I'll try taking nothing else today except maybe that clonazepam at night then. I'll just do everything I can to stay busy today and try to push through anything I'm feeling later. I wonder why I feel fine now, the only thing I feel is a little pain and now a little anxiety that I'm doing this wrong!

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You're going to be ok Emmy. You have it right and the doctor has it all wrong. You took the one 8 mg of sub today and that is plenty to hold you until tomorrow. I think you are very lucky that doctor didn't make you any sicker than you were. Try your best to stay calm and you can get on track easily.

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Thank you!! I really appreciate the support!! I'm still feeling really good and haven't taken anything else except Tylenol, so I'm staying optimistic that it won't get much worse! Thanks again!!! :)

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I'm totally with razor and ballplayer on this one Emmy! I've never heard of taking both together. the whole idea of taking Suboxone is so that you don't go through withdrawal/ cravings after stopping the oxys. taking buprenorphine( active med in Suboxone), too soon after an opiate, can cause what's called precipitated withdrawal,, which is a rapid onset of severe opiate withdrawal symptoms, symptoms like you described, that's why patients are usually told to be in moderate withdrawal before being inducted with Suboxone. As for dose, my advice would be to dose only once per day, just my opinion though, to get out of the habit of dosing multiple times per day, and to take the dose that' s enough to keep you out of withdrawal and not having cravings for 24 hours. some people require a small dose and some require a larger dose to accomplish this. sounds like 8mgs is holding you well today but tomorrow if you feel withdrawal can give 8 mgs a try again and if after an hour or so, you're still not feeling well, take another. 16 mgs is a pretty decent dose and should hold you well for 24 hours And I definitely wouldn't take anymore oxys EVER!

I'm including a link to an article by Dr. Junig, the forum's founder, that explains how Suboxone works and dosage better than I can. Hope you'll find it helpful Emmy. Welcome to the forum :-)

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Thanks!! I think it ended up working out for a reason! I felt sooooo sick taking the oxy after the suboxone that I can't even imagine ever taking an oxy again. I mean yea it's only day two (haha) so I can't get too ahead of myself but the thought of any oxy makes my stomach turn! I can't even look at them, I hid them. Plus I just in general hate them for what they've made me do chasing them for so long and BLOWING money we didn't have on them constantly. Thank god we haven't lost our house, we've come really close though, ugh I just hate them. I hate that I did this to myself. I don't get why I ever let them take over my life, I always thought I was a really strong person. Anyway, thank you so much for taking the time to write to me! I've been emotionally all over the place today, I've been terrified for the last two years about what I'd look back and regret once I was off the pills. Again I'm only at day two, I have a lot of days ahead to regret! Thanks!!! It's a good feeling to be able to talk to others who've gone through this. I probably need to join something or attend meetings maybe? Who knows, I've never done this before and I hope to god I only have to do it once!!

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So..Emmy, "you hid them"...From who??you? Emmy, get rid of them!!!! Getm gone man, and ya go to a meeting an find some support, like here on this forum.Wer here for you. I know this is all new for you and so glad today was a good start for you.Its a start. Please..dump those oxys...just a sugestion..a stroug one..stay stroug and good to have you here...razor.......


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Well, that's the sort of sticky part. My hubby takes them as well. But he takes them like a normal person, I think. He has serious back issues, he's in the process of getting a device implanted in his back. He has a few exploded discs in his back from a car accident. Sooo I can't say for sure if he has any problem with pills or not, I'd guess not but what do I know, it's hard to tell when I myself have had such a problem. Hopefully that makes sense. He can take em or leave em, but prefers to have them for pain as needed. This has been a discussion many times with us though, and he agreed if it came to a point where it would risk my recovery to be around them, then he would stop taking them as well. So I guess we kinda have to wait and see. He goes all the time without them because I've always hogged my script, most of his script and bought a ton as well. Ugh just more regrets. I'm lucky to have such a giving hubby but he certainly hasn't helped me not be an addict. See who's fault is that, I'd think mostly mine but I don't really know. I told him earlier you said to get rid of them, but at this point I'm not feeling like they are a threat, but maybe it's not gonna be that easy as the days go on. I just hope it will be easy to stay away from them, I'd hate to have my problem continue to affect his life negatively!

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Oh also, my hubby wants me to ask about the clonopine and other muscle relaxers, yay or nay? I took one soma and one clonopine today. The doc said to get off the soma but he prescribed me the clonopine so are either ok for me to take? Or are they as bad as oxys addiction wise? Thanks!!! You have all been so great! Oh and I gave him the rest of the oxys and told him I can't ever see them again. Not that he wouldn't turn them over if my "addict" self came back. A lot to think about I guess.

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I personally don't believe you should require either of those drugs while on the suboxone. Usually once you're on the subs, and the dose has been adjusted for your particular level of addiction, you're feeling pretty darn good without the requirement of other drugs such as those you mentioned.

Just to be certain, are you speaking about Klonopin or Clonidine? Klonopin is a benzo med, and highly addictive, and Clonidine is a blood pressure med that is sometimes prescribed off label for withdrawal symptoms. You really shouldn't need either one with subs on board. I don't think they would be considered as "bad" as the oxy for abuse potential. Shouldn't need the soma either on the subs.

The other thing about getting rid of the oxy is to prevent you from having any kind of access to them at any point along the way. Once on subs there should be no need for oxy again. With your hubby having them, and using them himself, it's way too easy to reach for one if you have a day where you aren't feeling as good as you think you should be feeling. Destroying them by flushing for example removes all doubts. It also says how committed you are to stopping the abuse of it. It's a problem if he would "turn them over" if you asked for them. He should lock them away and REFUSE to give you any. My thoughts anyway Emmy.

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So it's Klonipin . I realized I was writing the generic name in my earlier posts. The doc prescribed it for once a day, just at night because I have muscle spasms that keep me up at night otherwise. If you think it's a bad idea, then I will try tonight to not take it and see if I'm ok to sleep without it. As for the oxys I told hubs to get rid of them, either take what's left in the next few days or dump them! He goes back to his pain management doc in two weeks so by then hopefully we'll know where I stand, if I can be around them or not. If not he'll see about getting something different that wouldn't be a risk for me. So today I took just 1 8mg sub (same as yesterday) and feeling fine so far, just some anxiety and you know that feeling where you can feel your heart beating outside your chest. So I'm thinking maybe starting tomorrow if all is pretty much still good, maybe I could cut the suboxone dose in half? Or something less? Or should I keep on with the 8mg till I see the doc again next Monday? Thanks so much for all the advice, I hope one day to be able to help someone else the way you've helped me! It's been a huge help!!!! :)

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Stop the oxy immediately!!! I'm surprised he went that route with you sub is a partial blocker of opiates. So that throws red flags up to me. You will be fine with your sub alone! Remember the whole idea is to one day to be not taking anything. Or that's my goal to be able to wake up and feel normal without help from meds!!! I know the fear of wds and it's so hard but so doable but it's only doable when u decide that not your sub doc


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Emmy I would not take that large of a drop off from 8mg I assume to half which is 4mg. I've been thru it myself and The taper process must be slower and done very-steadly to avoid or help with acute wds.When you reach your dump off point(quitting altogether) subs make it more manageable to withstand the wds symptoms from acute wd period. People think subs are a magic wand but they are not!! They do help and I'm 100% behind this medication when used properly and monitored often by an addiction specialist. Some places out there will make u think they really care about your personal well being but what they want more is in your wallet! My point do not stay on subs to long or longer than needed that's defeating the purpose which is one glorious day to not need a crutch to feel normal. I pray all of us addicts are successful in our attempt some will some will not that's life though. God bless and good luck! I am new to this website but I can answer any question u have with experience trust me


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Thank you!! Yea I'm totally not taking any oxys as of Monday at 1pm! Wacky doc wanted me to be taking four a day still for this week! I think maybe he was very confused lol I'm feeling pretty good today so that's the only reason I was thinking of lowering the suboxone tomorrow. I'm not sure how long I'm expected to stay on the subs but the quicker I get off, the better! They are not cheap! haha thank god my family helped with the cost, I'm lucky in that regard, but I don't want them to spend any more then they have to. Plus yea I can't wait for the day I don't need any meds!! I'd like to try going down a little at least on the sub, we'll see I guess. Thanks again for your support! Let me know if I can give any support to you!

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Emmy wrote:
As for the oxys I told hubs to get rid of them, either take what's left in the next few days or dump them! He goes back to his pain management doc in two weeks so by then hopefully we'll know where I stand, if I can be around them or not. If not he'll see about getting something different that wouldn't be a risk for me.
If your husband requires the oxy, and he isn't abusing it then you guys need to work out a way where you have no access to them. Can't have him being an enabler if you are attempting to stop using them ya know? You yourself have to really want this. It's very difficult to do if someone else in the same house is using a drug you really enjoy.

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So I'm thinking maybe starting tomorrow if all is pretty much still good, maybe I could cut the suboxone dose in half? Or something less? Or should I keep on with the 8mg till I see the doc again next Monday?
As for reducing the dose of suboxone I agree with the other member. That is a large reduction from 8 mg to half which would be 4 mg (50%). Besides this is only your second or third day of being on the sub, a little too soon to consider a dose reduction right now in my opinion. I might suggest a few more days on the same 8 mg dose. Take it to perhaps until Friday or Saturday and if you still feel ok then it's probably safe to reduce the dose. As was said, I wouldn't drop to half, maybe go from 8 mg to 6 mg and then to 4 mg when you feel the time is right. I can help you with dose reductions when your ready if you like.

I guess this is where I should ask how long you are planning on remaining on the subs? I do believe this is a pro-suboxone forum, and most here, including the founder, Dr. Junig suggests long-term (1-2+ years or longer) use of subs. Even if you consider taking it for the rest of your life is totally understandable and supported here. Those that only use bupe for short periods of time are subject to possible relapse more than those that remain on it longer.

How long do you plan on suboxone therapy at this time Emmy?

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Ok to start, honestly BP I trust anything you tell me, over what the doc has said. I know it's only been 3 days but so far you've helped me immensely!! So as far as how long I want to be on the subs, I have no idea, because this is all new to me I don't know what's the right amount of time? Or do I figure it out as I go? I'd like to be done as quick as possible but only if that will help me be successful long term. I'm up for whatever makes me stay sober! Next thing, hubby and I had another discussion about it today and I told him he MUST keep them away from me, at any cost. I even suggested he attend meetings of his own, forget what they're called, to insure he no longer enables me in any way! I hate to blame him for anything, since this was MY addiction and he was a victim but he really made it super easy for me to be an addict. He was the one who would go meet shady people to buy more pills for me, I never did it. It's totally my fault of course, he just needs to find the strength to not support any it, I guess. It sucks to feel so awful for what I put him through but at the same time make him aware he was a player in the problem ya know? Thanks so much BP, you are really amazing for helping me so much!

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Hey Em, we would all like to be"Done"as soon as possable. But when is that? How do we get there?

It takes time. It takes a commentment and education not only on what recovery is but also whatthis mmedication is and how it works. Please go to Dr Junigs talk zone on this forum and start reading his posts. The information is there.

THIS MAN KNOWS HIS STUFF.

Ive bn on suboxone 38 months now. I feel fi e. My life is back in order and has bn since I started. No more cravings for pills. No more lieing to people. All the things that turned me into a monster. Life had to change. But it takes time to learn recovery tools.
Im Clean Enough today. My recovery has no judgements . Others can judge. So be it. Not my problem.
Sorry your dr isnt what you need him to be. Ask him more ?'s next visit. He could surprise you. They say recovery you have to change everything. Well alot has to change. But understanding just what this med is and how it can work for you is so important. How loug will you be on it? Thats up to you Emmy. Read and learn my friend......razor's 2 cents....


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