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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:21 pm 
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Anyone ever actually done this ? I'm about 13 weeks and my husband now is so pissed I'm on the sub. He was me when my doctor mentioned the brain not developing right cause of sub. If ANYTHING is wrong for the next 18 years of the Childs life,the sub and me will be blamed. I wish I could just leave and never come home . I have before. I went to Holland.

I did not want or need to be pregnant. Now this sub worry is making that feeling worse and I am really going to just break. Fight or flight response will prevail..I will love my baby .

I wish I were alone with no husband . We only got remarried in the last month because I am pregnant, so that made me feel bad. My dad sent an e mail to him and told him to Mary me if I keep the baby.Which my dad thought was a bad idea. I agree but I am Christian and extremely spiritual . Abortion would have been hard.

My husband is 45 I am 40. still my dad is right! He saw me in the mist of an addiction to soma and my parents think "he" stresses me out and I use. I hate blaming others on drug use. All I can say is the stress I have comes from my husband. Before I was pregnant. I was going to nursing school with help from my dad. I told my dad that I was not sure if I wanted to be with my, then ex husband , forever. Honestly I would not if I had the income. I'd be in The Hauge in Holland.

Now I have to CT off suboxone. I'd rather be in pain rather than my husband hate me. I am trapped and I hate it! I am not happy and I did not want to have a baby again. The wet wipes,diapers,no freedom which I was utilizing going to school and learning to flying planes, a passion. I prayed for God to take the baby in my tummy. I would not and could not abort, but every ultrasound showed a active healthy baby so far at the last 12 week ultra. I will love my baby when it comes but I can not honestly say I am excited. I am just feeling normal from a long time taking soma. I had 15 hospitalized overdoses on soma. Only 18 months ago. I have been clean from that almost 19 months. IMO a baby and now my 17 year old step daughter whom has never ever lived here wants to chime in,move in and we do not like each other. This is not good. I can not tell my husband how I feel he takes his daughter side and has a BAD temper. Unless he limes what he is hearing he blows up. And he wonders why I used to lie. Ha ha. All I know is a storm is coming! I wish I could sail away .

Has anyone ever CTed after 13 weeks? The Chances must be better if I am further along.


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I do not think quitting Suboxone CT at any point in a pregnancy is a good idea.

I have been all over google the past few days looking for information about Suboxone and fetal brain development and I haven't found anything.

If you are sure that you don't want to stay on Sub, have you thought about swtiching to methadone? Women have been having babies on methadone for many years and there is a ton of evidence about it's safety. I just don't understand why you and your doctor think it's a good idea for you to stop your addiction treatment when you are obviously not in a good or stable place emotionally and you don't have a good support system.

If I were you, I'd be looking around for a second opinion, ideally from an OBGYN who has experience in treating pregnant women who are opiate addicts on replacement therapy. I think you are putting yourself through hell for no reason and you are possibly putting your fetus at risk.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:09 am 
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Tiff,

Please don't discontinue your Sub!

I completely understand what your going through. When I found out I was pregnant, I burst into tears! I was soooo scared about what effect my taking Sub would have on my child. And I was worried about the delivery, and how I'd be able to get adequate pain relief.

I was also VERY upset, like you.....because, AFTER YEARS OF FEELING SHITTY....I FINALLY felt normal! And not only that, but I didn't want the extra responsibility, which comes along with having a baby. I had just advanced at work (where I was an Surgical/Anest Asst.) and had begun placing IV's in the pts we sedate. And, I was getting ready to apply to RN school. I felt like having a baby would really get in the way of acheiving my goal to become a nurse. I also wasn't even sure that I was stable enough to take care of another child (I have a 7yr old daughter).

My husband (before he did a ton of research) was horrified about how our baby would turn out.....and even asked me to get an abortion! And I wanted to get an abortion in the beginning too. We bought the abortion pill, but it DIDN'T WORK. I must have been further along than I thought I was (has to be taken w/in a couple days of conception to be effective).

After the pill didn't work......I took that as a sign that God was giving me a gift, and I'd better appreciate it! My husband and I searched for as much info on Suboxone/Subutex, effects of Sub on pregnant women/babies, we talked to several doctors (including a high risk fetal specialist)......AND EVERYTHING WE DISCOVERED SAID ITS SAFEST TO REMAIN ON THE SUB.

I agree with DOQ.......I don't think its safe at ANY TIME during pregnancy to quit your Sub, especially not ABRUPTLY!!
What about Methadone? Is that an option for you?

Im just SO WORRIED....with your current, seemingly unstable marriage/life, that you may relapse w/out the Sub. And even IF everything turns out ok after you've jumped......you get through the withdrawls, have a healthy/ full term pregnancy, and your baby is born healthy and without NAS.......WHAT ABOUT HOW YOU MIGHT FEEL AFTER BIRTH? A baby senses how its mommy feels. If your upset, depressed, anxious......your baby is most likely gonna feel that too.

You, and your baby DON'T DESERVE to suffer like this. Please do some more research, get a second/third, EVEN FOURTH opinion from an O.B.......AND THEN, reconsider your options. And I hate to see you/your husband part ways, but if he can't support you NOW, he probably won't later either. The stress/tension only GETS WORSE after the baby is born. Although he's an important part of your life, you need to do whats best for YOU and that little BABY you're growing inside you!

Please take care of yourself. And feel free to PM me if there's ANYTHING I can help you with!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:29 am 
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Wow! thats alot on your plate!you will be in my prayers,I too got pregnant on sub.and I felt like the whole world was crashing around me.Did I want this baby? Can I do it?Will the PAWS on top of ppd be totally unmanageable? If I should get ppd? What does my husband really think etc.1st I call my sub doc and he changed me to subutex immediatly.But all the while I kept thinking I just dont feel good about this.Long story short the decision was made for me and I miscarried very early along.My thoughts are with you..keep us posted.


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I'm sorry if I'm coming off harsh, but I feel that you're not listening to these kind people's posts above. They are telling you how unsafe it is for the baby for you to stop taking suboxone so abruptly, yet you didn't address that in your post at all. I hear that you're very stressed out right now, and I understand your desire to stop taking sub. But add your stress to the withdrawals that are coming your way if you stop the sub abruptly like you plan and that could very likely place your baby at even greater risk. Please think of those risks before making your decision. Did you read the blog posts by Dr. Junig? I gave you links to read in a couple of other different threads. You need to make an informed decision and get second opinions. Please think seriously about the risks to your unborn child.

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 Post subject: Hello again Tiff
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:08 pm 
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I see a post you put up after mine was deleted..so I dont know your current feelings on the advice you have received.I'm in 100% percent agreement with hatmaker..not to abruptly stop..that will reak havoc on you/baby.When I read your post I sincerely felt for you and still do,I hope I did not offend.It was a lil confusing seeing a deleted post and then hatmakers reply...but again I am new here.All the best to you.


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To add Tiff,I have no reason to believe the sub. caused the miscarry,I certainly should have added that.MY pocd history has a huge affect on my hormones an my progesterone was just not climbing.Please keep in contact with the women here.


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Tiff, ARE YOU OK???!?

Why was your post deleted? Did YOU delete it? I don't understand.......I hope your NOT upset about the advice, and the suggestions you've been given. We're ALL very worried about you, and ONLY want THE BEST for you and your baby.

Please keep posting or at least send a PM, to let someone know your ok.

Your in my thoughts and prayers!


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Marie -

Tiff deleted her own post. Any time a post is edited, the person who did the edit is recorded right in the body of the post. She is the only one who edited her post so it looks like she just changed the text to Post Deleted.

Just wanted to clear up any confusion.

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Thanks DOQ!

Thats what I figured. I saw at the bottom (where it sais edited)...........AND THIS REALLY SCARES ME!

I couldn't figure out why anyone else other than Tiff WOULD delete her post, but now that I know that she did in fact delete it.......IM EVEN MORE WORRIED ABOUT TIFF!!

I truly hope Tiff ISN'T upset with the responses she was given by myself and other members. As I stated above, we're ALL (obviously) just trying to help/support her.

Maybe I'll try to reach out to her in a PM.

I pray that Tiff hasn't done anything drastic, or made an abrupt decision based soly on fear and the lack of support........ which she seemed to be getting from her husband.


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