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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:17 am 
its my honest best opinion you goto a hospital and get financial aid and be monitored because most sub doctors do not know a damn thing about how to monitor their patients.... your just a dollar bill to them. they can mildly sedate you and give you fluids and make sure everything goes flawlessly... worth the money imo


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Worth the money? Maybe if you have good health insurance? I went in to the hospital when I was on day 2 without Oxycontin and they did nothing but give me some fluids and send me on my way with a 6,000$ bill. If you can get assistance do it, and more power to you but you warn about sub doctors only wanting you'r money and then you praise the hospital that can literally put you in to debt, not to mention they are docs too. Sorry you had a bad doctor experience, so did I, but I know of way more doctors who actually would rather you get clean, stay clean, and get new patients who are waiting for an opening. Not to mention we all usually did this to ourselves so thats who you should look at and use this experience as a lesson. Hope you make it, I also hope you stay clean and happy for the rest of you'r life, really do. I responded in you'r other post when you said you were having pretty bad issues during the W/D's, are you taking or NOT TAKING anything else because sub's usually wont put you in any danger, especially 2mg, I am on day 17 from around a 2 - 4 mg jump and I had some bad days but nothing life threatening. I could be completely wrong tho, I'm no doctor and I am learning about everything too so someone please, correct me if I am off.

EDIT :: I thought I would also add that when I went to the emergency room way back, I was coming off 200mg + Oxy a day (4, 80mg pills was a "regular day") and the emergency room chemical dependency specialist assured me I wouldn't die or be in any danger of it unless I was coming off alcohol or Benzos and thats why they sent me home to fight it off.


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This guy is just here to scare people and i think its pretty pathetic and selfish. To come and mess with peoples recovery and possibly put someones life in danger because they read his post and decided against sub. I already gave him my thoughts for the 50th time on his thread called "be careful". Nothing he says ever makes sense. I wouldnt believe anything from this guy. I really do hope he gets the help he needs.


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Thats to bad man that you think that way. But i think its safe to say you have never had a good suboxone DR cause you wouldnt say the things you did if you have cause my sub dr has gone to bat for me many times. He even went with court with me to get my health insurance to cover suboxone. so i dont know what dolloar bill you see but i know alot of the dr people see on hear are more then a bill. Most sub drs are here to save lifes not ruin them.


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Thats to bad man that you think that way. But i think its safe to say you have never had a good suboxone DR cause you wouldnt say the things you did if you have cause my sub dr has gone to bat for me many times. He even went with court with me to get my health insurance to cover suboxone. so i dont know what dolloar bill you see but i know alot of the dr people see on hear are more then a bill. Most sub drs are here to save lifes not ruin them.


To add to what you were saying; even if every doctor had some scheme to keep everyone on Suboxone to make money, which is not even close to true, they still would be saving people's lives. People blame the doc's but they were the ones who got hooked in the first place, at least living with Suboxone doesn't have negative side effects like DEATH, a ruined life, and a body that is slowly giving out.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:05 am 
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I definitely disagree with the OP that all doctors don't care. Some of us have been lucky to have good docs and to be honest although my visits last about 3 minutes at $175 a visit......all I care is to get my script and get my help from the recovery aspect through a different means (12 steps, therapy...etc). My current doctor just doesn't take the time to answer questions or will explode if you bring up a side effect to him. So I just avoid the whole confrontation and usually just walk in and pay...get my script and leave.

Now some would say it's time to get a new doctor and that's where it gets tricky. This is my second sub doctor......I moved and had to get a new one. The first one was nice but just started prescribing suboxone and did not know much about it....his speciality was migranes. When looking at the 28 doctors in my city that prescribe suboxone only two take insurance. This I do not understand....I have very good insurance and many of them will take insurance for other visits but not for suboxone maintenance. I have never understood this and the only 2 that took insurance.... each had over a 3 month waiting list. I think that is where the stigma lies with some doctors...certainly not all. It makes it all seem a little shady that it's cash only.....My Doctor even sells the pills out of his office and trys to get you to buy the from him at $7.50 ea if you buy more than 10 at a time. You have to be buzzed into his office like it's a jewelry store. Thankfully my insurance covers my suboxone at $25 for a month supply but I can certainly feel for the people who have to pay out of pocket.

I cannot complain though because I would have certainly doled out that money easily for my DOC and I am thankful I can afford to pay to be in the program. I just wish more Doctors would see this a viable opiton for all their patients and allow those of us who have good insurance to use it. I think it is important that when we find a good sub doctor especially one that takes insurance we share it on the thread we have for sub doctors so others can get a good doctor from the very begininng as opposed to having a bad exprience with one then turn around and assume all doctors and suboxone is bad bcause it just isn't true.

Jim


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:30 pm 
heh, well mine lasted five minutes and he was indian, and every time i ask him something he just goes "ya ya " or something irrelevent/not answering my question.. and he was so dumb he told me there would be no withdrawal if i just stppped from 8mg.... lol


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I just want to say that my life has also been saved by Suboxone. I am very grateful to these doctors that give a damn at all. A year ago when I started Suboxone there were only 4 Doctors in a 300 mile radius of my home that could perscribe it. I have learned more about the drug in this forum than the doctor seems to know tho. I was being perscribed twice as much as I actually needed. The dr. didn't seem to know about the ceiling of it. After sniffing aroud the forum I cut my dose 2/3 in one day with no effect at all. I get by fine on 4mg. This last week I tried to see how long I could go on 1mg but it caught up with me and last night I went to 4mg again.
These doctors that are willing to help people like us surely are not in it for the money. For the most part we are not a segment of society you would target as the 'Wealthy" The hospital that is helpoing me is accepting $25 a month payments on a $7000 bill.
Just wanted to add my 2 cents. Thanks to all here!!!!


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I have to say that after my first sub doc experience, and knowing the docs in the area who prescribed, I may have had the same opinion that they were all out for a buck. There are a LOT of them like that. If you have no other experience to draw upon, you may very well think that way. When I got on sub I expected to see a professional who understood addiction and who behaved...well....like my family doctor does. Normal. Then, I end up with this whack job. I have said it before and will say it again. I think suboxone attracts some of the best and worst docs out there. Unfortunately, a lot of the worst are who have openings and that is who people start with. Finding a good one can take a while. NOW, I have a doc who IS like my family doctor. In fact.....she is amazing. She doesn't take insurance either but oh well. I like her. I wouldn't switch. I think she genuinely cares about my health. All of it. Not just the addicted part of it. That is worth a million dollars to me. I trust her. But had I never found her....and it wasn't easy....I may very well be on this site saying the same things. Or even worse, what if I found a 2nd crappy one? I understand I guess.

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