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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:14 pm 
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I've been off Subs since July. The insomnia and diarrhea are still a problem, and I have pain fairly frequently. Thing is, they were a problem before subs. I fared terribly on 4 MG – it was MUCH too high of a dose and I had ridiculous side effects. I notice that I fare best on a daily dose of around 1 MG. I could likely go lower now, being close to opiate-naive. I felt my best when I was on 1 MG or less a day. My sleeping, bowels, appetite, energy, pain control, and mood were perfect.

Bear in mind, I am only in my 30s; however, typical pain control methods like yoga and breathing do nothing and I have further destroyed my GI tract with excessive NSAID use. I do not have the money to go to tons of different specialists, nor do I expect to have that money for the foreseeable future. At present, it is difficult to get through the average day, and what I am experiencing is not PAWS, but simply a return to how I was before opiates.

How would I make the case to a future doctor for going on Sub (Subutex honestly worked a bit better for me) to manage sleep, depression, pain, etc.? Should I go to a pain doctor or a Sub doctor, or potentially a psychiatrist? How do I emphasize that this med is poison to me in the typical maintenance dose, but a godsend at a lower dose? Any advice from those taking Subs for pain or mood is HIGHLY appreciated!


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p.s. For anyone new to Subs, 1 MG and even 0.5MG is a fairly powerful dose for pain control. Typically, pain control doses of buprenorphine are measured in micrograms.


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If you really need to get back on Suboxone, the simplest thing to do is tell them you're an opiate addict. If the doctor prescribes you 8mg or 16mg, just take the 1mg.

BTW, at 3 months off Suboxone, my sleep was still horrid and diarrhea was a constant. My energy and mood were crap more often than not, too. Those symptoms did finally clear up for me, but it took a long while. I know you said you suffered from those symptoms before opiates even came into the picture, I just felt like it was worth me mentioning that I had the same symptoms post Suboxone and that they did clear up.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:36 pm 
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VU719: some options to consider. What you are asking for is an off label indication for Suboxone. When used off label for pain management, depression etc. any provider can prescribe. There is a letter from the DEA floating around here on one of the threads about this. Consider seeing someone that was familiar with your symptoms prior to the Suboxone. If they knew you and had tried to help you with antidepressants or other treatments perhaps they would consider treating you with Suboxone. You might want to print off some materials and bring to your appointments. It is hit or miss with Suboxone providers, some might listen, others will, as Romeo suggests, treat with way too high of a dose. Same with psychiatry. Bup is not on a lot of radars yet as an alternative treatment for mood disorders. They only way to find out is to ask a lot of questions. In your circumstances you must be a strong (but not obnoxious) advocate for yourself.
Sounds like you still have pain and insomnia. research a bit about alpha-stim. I'll put in a link but I am not sure if we are allowed, so if it is gone then google it and you will get to it pretty quick. http://www.alpha-stim.com/
I don't believe what you are asking for is off the wall or all that unusual. PAX


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