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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:37 am 
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I understand there are ppl who consider this medication a crutch and I understand how some can feel that way. My experience is different and I see it that some have to take because there are some ppl who will never be able to completely stay off opiates for life. Some just cannot do it. For those ppl (and I do think I am one of those ppl) this medication isn't a crutch, it's something that gives us a life we can live. Each person is so different and every journey is so different. We can't 100% know that everyone should only stay on buprenorphine 2-3 years. That's just my opinion on it and I think I'm so passionate about longer term treatment options because of how my life has been. I know not everyone is like me and that's why we all have different journeys :)

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The way I look at it is that I without opioids my brain just doesn't make enough on it's own to be happy and productive (whether this is true or not does not matter, that is how I choose to see it). That's how I became an addict. Now I have found a drug that gives me that extra opioid but does not lead to addictive behavior, does not lead to bad things happening in my life, and has actually improved my life so much since starting.

Perspective changes everything. I don't see this medication as a crutch, I don't see it as handcuffs, I see it as freedom. I am thankful for this medication everyday. Contrary to popular belief it is not everyone's goal to get off of all drugs, or this drug in particular. So for God's sake people, if it's a handcuffs for you fine, but you can't tell me what it is for me. Right at this moment I will be upset if I'm not on this medication for the rest of my life. Maybe one day that will change. I don't know.

For now I see active addiction as being in handcuffs, totally unable to live the life you want to live. I see active addiction as a crutch for getting from one moment to the next. I see Buprenorphine as freedom. It's all about Perspective.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:48 pm 
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As far as Sub being another pair of handcuffs do not kid yourself it is another drug to get from the doctor and fill, another drug to make sure you have so you don't run out & get dope sick, another drug to spend money on, etc. I've had to cut out early on one too many family trips or skip going on vacations to certain countries either because I was running low on sub or the country I was visiting didn't allow it. So I don't see how you can't see it as another pair somewhat.

However it's still a WAY BETTER OPTION than Oxys or heroin!!! In fact if you're addicted to opiates go get sub NOW!!!!

I'm not saying this to scare you from trying it, It will change your life for the better but please don't stay on it longer than 2-3 years. It's not meant to be a crutch it's meant to transition you. Take it from someone who was on it for 10 years. I just halved my dose and I'm angry at myself for not doing it years ago. It really was just a crutch. Again this is my personal story and I'm here for anyone who needs longer or is conflicted, I get it, if this shit was easy to kick we wouldn't need this forum.


It's funny. I read your first paragraph and I wasn't scared at all. I think that what you mentioned about it being another prescription to fill so that you don't have to cut out early from a vacation is a clear positive. It surprised me that you then said, "I'm not saying this to scare you from trying it." I didn't think that was where you were headed.

Please understand that I am not saying this to be demeaning to you in any way, but you are not in a position to give people the advice to please don't stay on it longer than 2-3 years. In fact, you're not yet off the medication. How is it that you can call the medication a mere crutch? You have no idea what you will feel like after the honeymoon of being off buprenorphine is over. You haven't tried recovery without medication, so how can you possibly anticipate how you will feel when you're off? And how will you know that any success you have in recovery without it has nothing to do with the extended length of time you were on buprenorphine?

I scour the scientific information on this medication. I have access to scientific articles through my university library. I have not seen any study that supports your assertion. In fact, the scientific evidence so far seems to be pointing us towards long term treatment with buprenorphine medications as a general rule.

We don't have any problem with people expressing their own opinion. I would never have even brought this up except that you come across sounding like an authority on the subject instead of this just being your opinion. Some people, especially desperate addicts, are unduly influenced by what they happen to read.

One more thing I would like to bring up, which doesn't have to do with anything that you said in this post, is that buprenorphine does not cure addiction. I have seen people express that since they haven't had any cravings in the 5 months that they've been on suboxone, that they are ready to go without the medication. They think that their addiction has gone away, when it is the medication itself that suppresses their symptoms. It's important to understand that the addict has to make many changes and be prepared to tackle their cravings and triggers before they taper off buprenorphine. Otherwise they are back where they started.

Hey OP, I am happy that you are here and that this forum can help you. You are doing a fantastic job with your taper and in general your advice is very good. It may very well be that you will detox all the way from buprenorphine and feel wonderful! You've most likely made the changes in your life that will set you up for success. And for you, suboxone may have been a crutch that you didn't need for 7-8 of the 10 years you were on it. I'm just saying that you can't extrapolate your experience to everyone else who is on suboxone.

By the way, this forum was not created to help people get off suboxone. It was created to provide accurate information about buprenorphine. Stopping Suboxone is just one section of this forum.

I wish you the best in your taper! Thank you for being here to encourage and guide others. Your story is valuable as are you. I know that I asked very challenging questions of you, but I hope you understand that I wasn't trying to attack you, but to keep us all thinking.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:58 pm 
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Tragicom wrote:
The way I look at it is that I without opioids my brain just doesn't make enough on it's own to be happy and productive (whether this is true or not does not matter, that is how I choose to see it). That's how I became an addict. Now I have found a drug that gives me that extra opioid but does not lead to addictive behavior, does not lead to bad things happening in my life, and has actually improved my life so much since starting.

Perspective changes everything. I don't see this medication as a crutch, I don't see it as handcuffs, I see it as freedom. I am thankful for this medication everyday. Contrary to popular belief it is not everyone's goal to get off of all drugs, or this drug in particular. So for God's sake people, if it's a handcuffs for you fine, but you can't tell me what it is for me. Right at this moment I will be upset if I'm not on this medication for the rest of my life. Maybe one day that will change. I don't know.

For now I see active addiction as being in handcuffs, totally unable to live the life you want to live. I see active addiction as a crutch for getting from one moment to the next. I see Buprenorphine as freedom. It's all about Perspective.


Outstanding post tragicom. This is exactly why, even tho I'm off bup, I don't/won't push folks to get off. I STILL remember how bad I was, pre bup. I hope I never forget. its a powerful motivator.

itstime - there's lots of support here for you here. its hard w your 2-3 yrs statement, bc for some/many, 2-3 yrs on bup is not long enough. And studies are showing longer term is better not worse. Your statement could be harmful bc for some folks reading it, could cause them to stop too early which could cause them to lose a marriage, collect a few felonies, get fired from their job and worse. We have stories here of folks where their Dr. forced them to stop bup after 2 yrs and its terrifying for them.

Lots of other help here tho. Lots we can help w! P

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Yeah it just isn't very fair to tell the ppl who are continuing long term treatment that it's not necessary or shouldn't be that way. Nobody can say that is everyone's recommendation. I wholeheartedly believe that some addicts will be completely successful after a few years to stop buprenorphine, but that's only some, not all. I don't know that I will ever be able to be completely off. So for someone to say that that's what is best is just not knowing my journey and I don't want to be made to feel like I'm doing something wrong because I've chosen a different path. That whole crutch thing, every time I hear someone say it, I cringe.

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I used to agree that after 10 years, I too have just got to get off this. That was 2 and half years ago. But not anymore... Unfortunately I was taken off cold turkey(along w all other psych meds) by my kidney specialist when I had unrealted kidney failure. Yes I had 61 days of bad withdrawal, but has now paled in comparison to the horror I now feel after over 2 years. I'm going Monday to get back on it and I'm so relieved to go back to that time in my life. Plus my clinic requires I must do therapy & support & I need that too. My panic and Mood disorder have taken over my life, and I would do anything to numb it & if I could use I don't think I could stop even though I want it to. Science reveals my brain has changed as an addict and it's not a moral dilemma if you have been on it for a long time. It's saving you from worse torture. I respect all opinions but if Bupe for life comes up, I'm sparing myself of this endless battle of addiction and pain. I truly applaud the ones that stay off for good. But I must go back my life literally depends on it. Addiction always stays, somehow, and it is a death sentence to me.


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Hi Jewell7575, I have searched and searched to find a Thread that you may have started yourself, but I can't find one. I read your introduction over on Deekay's thread and a feel your pain. I truly do. I can not imagine what you have been through, and I am so sorry the past two years have been so hard on you, I'm so happy that you are going back to the Dr on Monday, and I will keep you in my prayers. Please come back on Monday, start a new thread and let us know how it went.


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