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Sorry i should have specified more. I have been on suboxone for several years! My plan is to switch to morphine sulfate for several weeks before the detox. I have tried tapering from suboxone but the withdrawals are brutal and lllloooonnnnnggggg. Gave up that route. I have to try this. I have faith in Jesus and i know He will help. I know rapid detox is no quick fix and there may be only 3 reputable places in the country. The one i'm going to is at least JACO accredited and with BBB. I can't detox on my own and i need some help. Seems not many people have been to one of these places short of the scams i heard about in Florida. I will give this a shot and i will get through it God's will. Give me a month and if I still care to post about it I will. Pray for my success.



Dude I just did it this weekend. I was taking 2mg suboxone twice a day for a year. I tapered down to 2mg films cut in half. I took a naltrexone on friday evening, dont try this! (I did because I was trying to quit immediately) I was in immediate severe withdrawal with hallucinations and cold sweats and puking. 4 hrs. after taking the naltrexone I was in the ER. They sedated me and gave me promethazine and clonidine. I had the most miserable night I literally wanted to die. The good side of the story: Its monday now, I am up and cleaning my house and taking care of my two beautiful daughters. I am free of Suboxone and I am never turning back. I still feel like shit, yes, but I am feeling a lot better than I was. Anyone can do what I did, but you better have a good pain tolerance for a solid 24 hrs. The two days after, I could hardly sit upright. I could barely eat, and still I am having trouble. I cant sleep right yet, but I need to stop taking WD naps throughout the day; this might train my mind back into the 8hrs sleep cycle. I still feel like there is a heaviness in my body and my muscles ache at times. I still get hot/cold chills, but honestly not as much as yesterday. Just takin it one day at a time !! I'm going to try running today, that IMO is the quickest way to force your body to speed up the healing process. This has taught me a valuable lesson, there is more to life than feeling good. I get to feel normal, they say in a few months, and see my daughters grow up and I finally get to be the positive role model that they need. I am true to God now, and he has been true to me and has been by my side through this whole ordeal. Hope this helps!


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Two more weeks and i'm off. So in three weeks if i remember i will post about my experience and how it went. I can't seem to find anyone with a real experience with this..... only stories like "i heard of a guy who..." So i will let everyone know firsthand.

BTW i tried tapering, can't get past 5mg without feeling like poop.


cut em in half. You have to taper or recovery is impossible. It took me a year to get down to 1mg twice a day. It's not impossible but it takes discipline. Don't give up!! I just went through naltrexone immediate detox on my own, which landed me in the ER. I am free from subxone 4 days later, and honestly, this thought alone makes me feel free!! Words cant describe how trapped I felt. I was in your shoes for a long time buddy and it was one hell of a ride. My best advice is get a doc that is on track with your plan. Most docs treat us like junkies, but some actually care. 5mg is going to be more painful than what I went through. I almost didn't make it through bro, I had to have a divine intervention before I gained the strength to make it. I would honestly taper down no matter what it takes. It's worth it!!! Good luck and take care.


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Veteran and night-- thank you for sharing your experiences thus far. Something really needs to be added, though-- and I hope you both can tolerate the message. I truly hope for the best for you both.

I have written here and on my blog, many times, that tapering off is the easy part; staying clean for years is the hard part. My own relapse-- the one that cost me te most--- came at 7 years. When talking about success with opioid dependence, we talk in years-- not months.

Again--- I don't mean to take anything from what you have done-- although Vet, you're measuring your success in days, if not hours. At the tail end of my using, before my 3 months residential treatment, I was taking naltrexone every week or so-- each time getting very sick and thinking I was 'free'. But I found that naltrexone is not a one- time fix. It washes through and slightly reduces tolerance, but it doesn't take it down very far; it must be taken daily for weeks (or as an implant or shot) to really affect tolerance.

I have read six obituaries from people (former patients) who were doing well on Suboxone, who had stopped Suboxone 1-5 years earlier. I also will point out that the 95% of people who relapse after residential treatment are feeling 'free'--- many for months--- before relapse. I have several patients who did great on Vivitrol for a while--- until they stopped doing well, and instead came to see me. And I know a gal with a scar on her belly, left from digging out the naltrexone implant a month into that process.

This site is too often all about the process of 'getting off Suboxone,' to the point of forgetting the nature of opioid dependence---- a patient MF that hits us when we are feeling our best.

Night and Vet--- use any anger at this post to reinforce your motivation. I truly hope you the best. It would be most helpful if you would keep in touch-- not to gloat, but to let people know that recovery can last. And if God forbid, you struggle, please share that as well.

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I will certainly by no means argue the relapse point suboxdoc. I was almost 5 years off heroin before relapsing again. Before that I'd come off heroin many times for a week or 2 before relapse. I must say I am now clean 6 months ish.... Not keepin track anymore. I have a beautiful wife and we r fixin to buy a home. Things are great. I only pray I maintain the fear of any drug like I have now. I am scared to drink a beer at this point. Anyway I certainly will post on my success periodically and pray God I never relapse again!!

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Great post and reminder for us all, suboxdoc.


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Thanks for the update Night, it's good to hear from ya again!!

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Hello Night,

I loved the way your attitude changes from post to post. From Wanting to do this, to HELL YEAH I'M FREE SUCK MAH BALLS, to Damn this kinda sucks, to finally happy again.

Gotta love the process.

How is your natural sleep working now?

Congratulations on making it through the bad withdrawls and best of luck on the mental aspect.

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WantToBeFREE wrote:
Hello Night,

I loved the way your attitude changes from post to post. From Wanting to do this, to HELL YEAH I'M FREE SUCK MAH BALLS, to Damn this kinda sucks, to finally happy again.

Gotta love the process.

How is your natural sleep working now?

Congratulations on making it through the bad withdrawls and best of luck on the mental aspect.

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Yea the whole process definitely messes with your mind! But now I can say I truly am happy. I feel so much better now mentally and physically now that I am clean. I actually go to the gym now.

My sleep has since returned to normal although every now and then my body wakes up real early for no reason. But it's not anything major.

Also thanks for the support. It was a hard process and a stern reminder of the consequences of my actions. By Gods grace I will keep fighting and stay clean.

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Just a quick update at 6 months ish still clean and movin on with my life. Thanks everyone!!

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Here I am at 10 months coincidently to the day. I have not touched opiates/suboxone of any kind since then. Or anything else for that matter other than an occasional glass or 2 of wine. And by occasional I i mean my last wine was on my birthday 3 months ago. I've been working steady, sleeping great, eating better, and Excersising.... Yes Excersising! Weights and cardio, I have a regimen. Ive put on 15 pounds since August and don't look skinny. Even got muscle. Just wanted to update since I said I'd pop in from time to time.

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Just want to say I think your constant updates are great Night

I have not been a member of many forums but follow people's posts hoping for happy endings and feel a little sadness when they drop off after a couple weeks, like I don't get closure


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I am 1 year and 3 months free. Just an update i have had bad back pain for a few months. My wife reccomended physical therapy so i started that with an awesome dr. I was not going to a pain clinic. An mri showed a protruding lv4/5 disc in my back. With several months of core exercises and glucosamine from wallgreens the pain rarely comes and is much more manageable. Just to add i still have insomnia from time to time and maybe thats the price i paid, but it is a glorious feeling to not be a slave to suboxone! I wish the best to all who want to get off it. May God bless you!

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I now have lost track of my clean time. But I guess it's 1 1/2 years. Still doing good. Still have sleep issues and back problems, but all in all, doing great! Just wanted to give an update. Hope everyone's doing well! God bless!

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It has been a long time since I posted. I still have trouble sleeping and for some reason tonight I was reminded of this forum and the post I started. Anyway I'm still clean. I have a baby on the way, less than a month. I got a promotion at work to service/project supervisor. I will add I have back pain still. A slipped disk that causes pain when I lie down. Nothing can be done about it I guess. I have a daughter soon Gods will. I'm so excited and I can't wait. God bless everyone and goodnite.

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yeah man insomnia is probably by far the worst part of coming off the suboxone I think...I totally didn't expect it....went to rehab and even with the clonidine, Librium, trazadone, and gabapentin(Neurontin) I didn't sleep at all....like literally I was sitting in a chair awake until about day 21.....I only slept the first two or three days there then wide awake....I was actually was the only person in there coming off suboxone and they told me that and methadone were the most protracted withdrawls and just to wait it out.....almost went crazy in that place being up for over two weeks in a row with weird hallucinations and just feeling like a zombie.....also had rls before starting opiates long ago so that was crap......eventually my body crashed and I fell asleep and started getting a few hours a night.....actually took about two months until one week I just started getting tired at night but like you said every once in awhile a night comes where I am just wide awake...its weird but at least not painful.....its good you posted your journey in full so people don't get too frustrated...I mean after like 15 days of not sleeping for more than 15 minutes here and there I was doubting the wisdom of coming off the subs big time but I got thru it eventually......kind of like you at 6 or 7 weeks I noticed a big improvement and things got manageable......good luck homie


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Hey! New member here. First post on this forum. Night, congrats on your child. I know this thread is old, but i thought it was very cool how you kept everyone up to date on your progress. You dont see that enough on sites like these. For every positive post there are like 5 real downers. Hope youre still doing well. "Getting clean is easy, then comes life." Cant remember where i heard that.

I wanted to share my thoughts on rapid detox. Im happy it worked for you, but there is no "silver bullet" out there for opioid addiction. We didnt become addicts over night. We certainly are not going to help ourselves over night. I think a little W.D. pain can be a stern reminder of why not to go back to that lifestyle after the acute phase is over.

Ive cold turkey'd, home detoxed w/ comfort meds, been to two rehabs, and used sub for about 18 months. im down to a .25 mg. Been @ this dose for about three weeks. Skipping days here and there. Pretty sure ill be cutting my last 4 pieces in half and jumping in 8-10 days. Im pretty confident its not going to be unbearable, but well see.


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I recently went through the rapid detox for suboxone, 1mg for over a yr and I just couldn't taper down and get off the subs. I was reading SuperPoster's comments before I left for the treatment (also did the one in MI) and found that if you can be successful at getting off subs with rapid detox, so can I. So, last Tuesday was my treatment day, its not 9 days later and the worst of what I have is, like you said, insomnia. The detox center gives you loades of pills and benzos to help with any withdrawal symptoms associated after the detox, but I felt pretty good on Wednesday, enough to walk around, went to the Jacuzzi (they said sweating is the best thing, gets the drug out of your muscles); and by Thursday/Friday, my only withdrawal symptoms were body chills (very minimal), anxiety, and insomnia, which is also causing me to have a lack of focus and drive, cause I feel like I am always tired. Well, its day 9 today after the treatment, and I still have the insomnia, and maybe once or twice a day I feel the chills, but that's all! Compared to the normal withdrawals you get from cold turkey, I think this has been much much better.
I am writing in hopes that SuperPoster still comes on this site and comments, as I have a few questions. I read that you felt that the benzos, neurotin, klonidine, etc made you feel worse after you stopped using them, I assume that after the scripts ran out. So, I threw out the scripts immediately, all of um. I don't want to use other scripts to get off opiates and I want this to be a clean recovery. So here are my questions for SuperPoster, hopefully you will still respond to these because I am proud to say that your posting encouraged my recovery. 1) after you stopped taking the other meds the docs give you, how long after until you felt like you were back to 'normal'? 2) Did you sleep during the days or just at night, and did you start to exercise and push yourself, did it help? 3) Any recommendations that could help my insomnia? I have been waking up usually before 6AM, and trying to stay active during the days, then at night I take a melatonin and sleep aid, but that still only gets me a few hours sleep, at best, 5-6 hours, worst case 3 hours. I know that I am only on day 9 now since the treatment, but I stopped using all other drugs that Thursday, with the exception of 5mgs of valium on Sat and Sunday, in the hopes of helping me sleep, it didn't, so I stopped that as well. I'm hoping to get any advice you can give me so that my recovery is faster and maybe one day I will be able to sleep more than 5 hours. Nothing is worse than insomnia! Thank you for any and all suggestions. Also, a word of note, since returning home on Friday, I have been to the gym everyday since, including the sauna (again, to have me sweat, and hopefully take some energy out of me). My other symptoms have gone way down, I barely have any body chills anymore and the anxiety/RLS has subsided for the most part. When did these symptoms subside for you? If you can remember. I hope your still going strong and sober my friend and again, I appreciate any and all advice you can give. Thanks.


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Hello, I have been clean and sober for 12 yrs as of this past Christmas Day. Pretty cool clean date eh? However in 1994 I was in a car accident and I have been dealing back pain with 2 slipped discs for years. I had been on morphine for years and was periodically switched to Oxy. Back and forth, back and forth. In Feb 2013 I had my second weight loss surgery and lost 130 lbs. It was the bypass surgery which causes Mal-absorption and malnutrition. After a couple months i started noticing that i was shaking/vibrating and my pain specialist told me it was from taking ibuprofen & chewable Gravol. So I immediately stopped both. For a very short time the shaking stopped then I seemed to be having withdrawal from suboxone symptoms so my pain Dr. upped my dosage from 8 per day to 9. I had been place on a high dosage to start because I had been on the other pain medication for yrs and was on high doses of morphine. Then the shaking came back and I was told it would subside. But it didn't, I've been complaining of it for months! No ONE is listening to me about the absorption issues from my surgery mainly because there is no data. I'm 54 and clean and sober 12 bloody yrs and no one respects the fact that I live in this body of mine and know what the bloody hell I'm talking about!! So, I started taking matters into my own hands and started watching documentaries about getting healthy. Wish I had done that many yrs ago and now I wish I had come to this site about a week ago because I made the foolish decision to cold turkey off Suboxone. So far the only side effects I've experienced is the shaking has gotten worse and this morning I woke up drenched in sweat but no others. But the discomfort was enough for me to put back 4 per day for 4 days and then 2 for 2 and then 1 last night which is when I woke up drenched in sweat. I have been experiencing hot flashes for yrs now but we don't know if it's menopause or the meds. I believe it's likely both but I'm leaning more towards the meds. After reading some of the entries on this site I took 2 this morning and am planning on adding back more later in the day to bring me up to 7 per day and plan on reducing them much slower. 1 less per week and I'll let you know how it goes. I am also placing myself on a food detox program ASAP. I am fortunate to live in Alberta Canada where all my meds are covered and I am on Provincial Disability which is the highest in the country and I have the means to do this. I consider myself to be extremely lucky for this and feel very sympathetic to those of you in the US and the other provinces. I hope this helps and if anyone else has the same issues due to weight loss surgery I would appreciate any info. Good luck to all! I would also like to direct you to documentaries on Netflix especially regarding food detox and how the US and other governments do not control these issues in regards to medication, drug control, unnessasary surgeries, and healthy food ect but the corporations do. Please check out Food Matters, Cowspiracy, Hungry for Change, Sugar Coated, & Fed Up. And there is a website associated with Food Matters called FMTV that has tons of documentaries on all sorts of subjects to help you gain mental and physical health. The thing that blew me away most on Food Matters was that 100,000 mg's of Vitamin C by IV cures cancer! And massive doses of magnesium cures severe mental depression! The medical profession telling us that too much vitamins causes harm is a bold face lie! And you can be healed with Vitamins, minerals and organic foods. The human body has a remarkable ability to heal itself. Please, watch Food Matters on Netflix you WILL be floored and a word of caution, incredibly angry! The solution? We need to unite in a way that we never have in history. If I suddenly won massive amounts of money I would keep a very modest amount for myself and my family and the rest would go to helping fighting against these atrocities! I am in the very beginning of changing my food and after watching Food Matters I can't eat any of the crap in my house. I no longer have cravings that I can't fight off just after watching this show but I also don't have the money to replace it with organic food so I'm just not eating. We are ALL malnurished! And our governments know it and refuse to do anything about it! In Fed Up the hardest part is watching the children crying because they're fat and can't stop eating sugar. I feel their pain big time!! Michelle Obama was trying to help until the sugar industry stopped her, you need to see the look on her face! The best thing about the show is that I now know it's not my fault, which helps tremendously! Again, the best of luck to everyone!!!


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I just found this chronicle and I am glad I did. This is amazing. Wonder where you are now, nightmare.


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