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Hello. This is my first visit to the site, so I figured I'd introduce myself first. I'm 41 years old and I'm addicted to percocet. After spending an entire day in bed, feeling horrible and barely able to function because I couldn't get a fix, I decided it was time to do something about it, so I went to my doctor. So, Monday morning I go see a specialist and start on Suboxone. I've been using for about 2 years now, purely recreational, though I do have some aches and pains I can use as an excuse. I can't live with the withdrawals anymore. It's screwing up my life at home, and making me broker than I already am.

I don't have too much to add, as I haven't started taking it yet, but I'll let you know how it goes, and I'm sure I'll have questions, and this looks like the place to come.

I saw the post about not starting a debate, and I would never do that, though I am curious...why would people have a problem with those who choose Suboxone as a way to beat their addiction? If you'd rather not post it here, just shoot me a private message. I don't want to cause any problems on my first visit. Thank you, and I look forward to sharing my experiences with others who can relate.


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Hi IbanezRocker and welcome! Congratulations on taking control of your life in order to end the chaos of active addiction. You should be very proud of yourself for taking that step. Definitely let us know how your induction goes. You can continue to use this thread or start a new one - it's up to you.

As for why people seem to be upset that some of us use suboxone...Well, there are many threads here about why that is. (By asking that question you are doing nothing wrong.)

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Hi Ibanezrocker,

Glad to have you here.

My first guitar was an Ibanez, hooked up to a Marshall amp...yeah, I was going to be a rock star and live the dream...I just never learned how to play the darn thing very well.

You're right in stating this is a good place to be, you'll find lots of support and hopefully lots of answers to your questions.

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Welcome....I assume you play guitar, as did I before my hand was smashed in an accident. Suboxone has only been in use for addiction treatment for <10yrs (in the US), and it falls victim to many myths and misconceptions. In my view, a lot of this comes from Narcotics Anonymous, and their "total abstinence" philosophy. Methadone has been vilified for years as "substituting one addiction for another", and the zealots simply assume suboxone is more of the same. There are a range of reasons for this: misuse and abuse of the drugs, and vague stories of how "it never worked for me". "Clean" is an ambiguous term, and the difference between dependence and addiction is often ignored. Finally, a lot of folks in recovery assume the way they sobered up is the only way, and they can be quite vocal about it!


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Welcome IbanezRocker!!

Glad you found the forum!! It is a great place with a lot of helpful information as well as people. I hope your induction goes smoothly. Do you know about the time frame you have to wait before taking suboxone so that you dont have precipatated withdrawal? Im sure you do but just wanna make sure so you dont have any problems with the induction. I hope you'll stick around and let us know how things go. Congagulations on your choice to enter recovery!!


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Ibanez????? Ibanez??????????????????? LOL. Okay, I'll admit that my first bass many, many years ago was an Ibanez but... We'll have to get Junkie's input on this as well, but my Fender is standing up in the corner as I write this.

Yes, I'm just giving you shit. You are very welcome here (even if you do play an Ibanez LOL). I think if you figure out nothing else, you need to figure out that you are on a long learning curve here. There is just so much to learn about addiction - not to mention all of the other stupid crap that goes along with being on Suboxone. THERE IS A LOT TO LEARN! If I can give you any advice, it would be this: Don't tell anyone that you are going on or are on Suboxone until you figure out who you can and cannot trust about it. It's just better that way. When I first started this, I didn't think twice about telling people about it. I just thought it was such a great medication (and still do). BIG MISTAKE! Many just don't understand and often get a picture in their mind of you lining up at a Methadone clinic type place along with the lowest low-life’s on the planet. I hate to have to say this, but to some people, telling them you are taking Suboxone is about the same as telling them that you slept at the mission last night and then went to the food pantry for your dinner. Yeah, it's wrong - on many levels. But it’s just the way it is.

With time and persistence on your part to learn more about all of this, you'll come to find, like most here have, that there is absolutely nothing wrong with using Suboxone as part of your recovery from opiates. In the end, you really just need to be "good" with it yourself and to hell with what everyone else thinks. Hopefully one day the world will come to understand Suboxone but given the fact that most other things and people are misunderstood - from Christians to homosexuals - I'm not holding my breath. The good thing is, most people here DO UNDERSTAND about Suboxone. So even though it may not be a great idea to discuss it with your friends, you are safe to discuss it here. Bottom line, there is nothing to be embarrassed about in taking Suboxone – nothing. Besides, if you’re not embarrassed to admit you play an Ibanez, Suboxone should be a piece of cake. KIDDING – I’M JUST KIDDING!!!

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Hi there IbanezRocker,
First I would also like to welcome you to the Forum. Like others have said this is a place where you can speak freely or just listen (read) to what others are saying about their Recovery! We certainly hope you do the first and participate in your Recovery by sharing with us how you are doing in hopes that you may help someone else Or you may see something that helps you! that's what this is all about one addict helping another to live with addiction and have a " NORMAL" life... Now what Normal is will be up to you...lol - I won't comment on your musical interest as I was told very young that I could not carry a Note in a Bucket.... :lol: I wish you well as you enter into Recovery and the Rest of your life. Please feel free to come back and post about your progress. Best of luck.....

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 Post subject: Thank You!!
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Thank you all for the warm welcome. I'm glad to see there are people here who know what my username is, and there is no offense taken at the goodhearted ballbusting. I work in a place that if they're not busting your balls, that's when you worry, so it's cool. I'm just learning to play the guitar, and the Ibanez was cheap, and well, it looked cool lol. One day I'll get a big boy guitar (but probably an ESP. Everyone plays a Strat) It makes me feel really good that I have this forum as a support source as well, and a place to ask questions.

I've only told two people so far of my addiction and the course of action I'm taking. Both are familiar with Suboxone and very supportive. I go on Monday for my first appointment, so I honestly know nothing about what I'll be taking or anything like that. I was told I need to be detoxing for 36 hours prior to starting, and, well, that really sucks IMHO. The horrible feeling of detoxing is one of the things I'm trying to avoid. I made my first mistake by doing this a couple of days before Christmas and having to wait until Monday for an appointment, but it can always be worse.

Thank you for explaining the for/against argument. I can understand that. People are entitled to their opinions. I honestly just want to get my shit together at this point, and do it the least painful way.

I never thought this could happen to me. I assume everyone said that at one point or another. I figured I could stop at any time, then my body told me different. Not to mention I liked the way it made me feel. Actually, I loved it. It was an escape mechanism for me, but that's not the way to handle things. I have a brother with a history of dependency issues, and my mom is retired nurse who used to work in a detox, though mom is still in the dark about this one. She doesn't need to know 2 days before Christmas. But the support will be there when the time comes.

I'm going to go poke around a little and see what I can learn. Thank you all again.


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Wow - 36 hours of withdrawals is, in my humble, non-medical opinion, excessive. It's not the number of hours you need to be in withdrawals, but rather how bad the withdrawal is that's important. Depending on how your doctor does inductions, she or he will ascertain when you're ready to induce. But just to understand a bit more, you could always Google the COWS worksheet to see how exactly they gauge said withdrawals.

Hang in there and before you know it Monday will be here. You're taking a great step to get control of your life. Be proud of yourself for that. Keep us posted on how you're doing. Good luck.

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Just to give a brief update...thanks to the Blizzard of 2010 here in New England, the doctors office was closed Monday morning, so I have not have my appointment. I have to call Tuesday and set up another one. I'm getting pretty impatient and struggling, but it will come soon enough. I hope. I do know one thing....my timing sucks. Between the holiday and the friggin snowstorm. I knew getting clean would be hard, but I didn't think it would be this hard to even start.


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Wow, your timing sounds like it's as bad as mine. I hate that your appointment was cancelled, that's a MAJOR bummer. I'm telling you don't give up though...it'll be worth it, man. Hang on a short while longer.

Thanks a lot for updating us, that was super cool of you.

Please continue to keep us posted!


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 Post subject: Hang in There......
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Hey Rocker,
I just wanted to jump back in and tell you Hang in there!!! You're right it's not Easy, But if it was Easy everybody would be doing it... lol!! I'm not trying to make light of your situation. Because for you it SUCKS I'm sure. I do want to suggest that you remain in W/D in case they get you an appointment right away. If they call you in and you don't pass the " I am in Agony " test its actually called the "COWS" Scale and you have to be in Moderate Withdrawal or you will have to postpone the start up ( Induction ) of Suboxone Again and I don't think you want to go that route again!!!!! Best of luck and please keep on posting so we can follow your "PROGRESS". Rock On......

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 Post subject: And so it begins....
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I was able to get an appointment for 8am today to start my treatment. I was a little nervous going in, but nothing overwhelming. I was the first appointment of the day for the doctor, and after filling out all the paperwork he came out and brought me into his office. For the first part of it, I didn't have a real warm and fuzzy feeling about the whole thing. He sat with his back to me asking questions and typing away on his computer. He turned to look at me once, to check my pulse and my eyes. Once he had gathered all his information, he seemed to warm up to me a little bit. Maybe it was based on the things I said, or maybe his coffee kicked in, but regardless, I soon felt very comfortable talking to him.

He explained the Suboxone treatment to me and we talked about a couple of other things. He recommended I see an addiction specialist, someone he said was excellent and that had "been there". I have an appointment with him next week.

He prescribed me 8mg twice a day. He also recommended going to AA, though advised me against going to NA meetings. I know nothing about NA, so I'm not going to voice an opinion or repeat any of his remarks. I'm sure you've all heard them before. I'll be looking into the AA meetings as well.

I took my first dose around 9:30 after coming home and reading the information he gave me. It's now 3:30 pm and I still feel pretty good. Not like I've taken my usual dose of opiates, but I definitely don't feel like I haven't taken anything at all. I feel more normal than high, though I can tell that I've taken something.

So the journey has begun, and I'm feeling pretty good about it. I have one question....when should I take my second dose? Should I take it when I feel like I need it, or wait a certain number of hours?

I'll be seeing him again in one week to re-evaluate the dose and check in with him. It's hard to say after only one dose, but seeing as though I've felt pretty good for about 6 hours now, I'd say the dosing was pretty good.

I'll check back in soon and keep everyone updated. Thank you all for your support. I'm very happy to have this resource available to me and the chance to correspond with people who "get it".


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I'm so happy to hear your induction went well. That "feeling" that you know you took something - well, that will subside in a few days. It's perfectly normal.

As for the second dose, the idea of a dose like 16 mg is to saturate your opiate receptors WAY above the ceiling so that it will address all of your cravings. You can take that other 8 mg in the afternoon. Some people have trouble sleeping if they dose too close to bed, so maybe keep that in mind. Most people following induction do dose more than once a day. Then once you are stabilized, it's normal to start taking your full dose all at once, usually in the morning.

Many people here swear by their addiction counselor. I've never had one myself, but I've heard they can be very valuable in helping you learn your triggers and new coping skills. I don't do 12-step programs myself, but if it looks like AA will be beneficial to you, well, more power to you.

Congrats on starting your addiction remission! Good luck to you. :)

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I'm really happy to hear everything went well and you feel good. Congratulations on taking that big first step, especially after the unexpected wait you had to endure.

As far as your questions, I agree with HatMaker.

Keep us posted and please don't hesitate to ask more questions if you have them.


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Hi there "I-Rocker"
Congrats on your Induction. I'm sure it feels like Finally to you! You and I are on a very similar Recovery Program or will have if you follow the Drs. suggestions? I am on 16 mgs. of Suboxone an have been for almost Two Years... I am also an Alkie so I go to AA meetings and I find them very helpful for Both my addiction and my Alcoholism. I go pretty much Every Day but remember I was a daily Blackout Drinker! As for the counseling goes. I started with 1 on 1 counseling and after a while (year +/- ) we both my counselor & myself decided to start a group session in his office. So we are doing that once a week now and I also find that Very Beneficial. Well it sounds like you have started your Recovery off on the right foot. If I could pass one suggestion to you it would be " Don'T ever forget that your Disease is just Waiting for you to let up on your Recovery. It is ALWAYS looking to bring you back to that HELL we were all in once!!! Best of luck and Please keep in touch with the Forum to let us know how you are doing!!!!

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Ibanez????? Ibanez??????????????????? LOL. Okay, I'll admit that my first bass many, many years ago was an Ibanez but... We'll have to get Junkie's input on this as well, but my Fender is standing up in the corner as I write this.

Yes, I'm just giving you shit. You are very welcome here (even if you do play an Ibanez LOL). I think if you figure out nothing else, you need to figure out that you are on a long learning curve here. There is just so much to learn about addiction - not to mention all of the other stupid crap that goes along with being on Suboxone. THERE IS A LOT TO LEARN! If I can give you any advice, it would be this: Don't tell anyone that you are going on or are on Suboxone until you figure out who you can and cannot trust about it. It's just better that way. When I first started this, I didn't think twice about telling people about it. I just thought it was such a great medication (and still do). BIG MISTAKE! Many just don't understand and often get a picture in their mind of you lining up at a Methadone clinic type place along with the lowest low-life’s on the planet. I hate to have to say this, but to some people, telling them you are taking Suboxone is about the same as telling them that you slept at the mission last night and then went to the food pantry for your dinner. Yeah, it's wrong - on many levels. But it’s just the way it is.

With time and persistence on your part to learn more about all of this, you'll come to find, like most here have, that there is absolutely nothing wrong with using Suboxone as part of your recovery from opiates. In the end, you really just need to be "good" with it yourself and to hell with what everyone else thinks. Hopefully one day the world will come to understand Suboxone but given the fact that most other things and people are misunderstood - from Christians to homosexuals - I'm not holding my breath. The good thing is, most people here DO UNDERSTAND about Suboxone. So even though it may not be a great idea to discuss it with your friends, you are safe to discuss it here. Bottom line, there is nothing to be embarrassed about in taking Suboxone – nothing. Besides, if you’re not embarrassed to admit you play an Ibanez, Suboxone should be a piece of cake. KIDDING – I’M JUST KIDDING!!!

LOL!! Aw, come on now, Ibanez makes some fine instruments in the higher end of their lines. I've owned a few in my day and they weren't all that bad, although these days I mostly use my Les Paul and my Strat....I also have a seven string made by Schecter of all people. It's a nice axe.

But enough about that.

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I've been playing guitar for 26 years. I've played them all and by far my favorite has been Jackson. I've had a Les Paul, SG, Strat and my favorite has been my Jackson by far, even better than the custom Les Paul.

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I've been playing guitar for 26 years. I've played them all and by far my favorite has been Jackson. I've had a Les Paul, SG, Strat and my favorite has been my Jackson by far, even better than the custom Les Paul.


It's funny how that works, isn't it? I started playing guitar when I was 8 years old, my grandfather taught me how to play a few chords then said "now you learn the rest on your own, like I did" and that's just what I did. Never took a lesson, but I am a classically trained musician, I played Clarinet starting in the 4th grade and moved on to Tenor Saxophone in high school, so I had about 9 years of training. I read/write music. I have a band, we're about to release our debut album, in fact. I have a home recording studio, and I am just finishing up recording electric guitars...

I think Hatmaker has heard one of my demos 8)

Currently, my favorite guitar is still my Epiphone Les Paul. It cost me $500. I played about 2 dozen guitars before I picked that one. Some of the guitars I played were Paul Reed Smith models, Gibson Les Pauls, a few of the higher-end Ibanez models, etc, but I kept coming back to this Epiphone Les Paul. Just a nice feel to the neck. So I bought it. Then I gave it to my guitar tech and had him upgrade the nut (replaced the plastic nut with a brass nut) and he also ripped out the electronics and put in a Gibson kit. Much better sounding and a lot less noisy.

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So far so good. I'm on my fourth day taking suboxone and I feel pretty good. Very good actually. The first couple of days I felt a little nauseous after taking it, then the 3rd day I decided to break the tablet in half, then take the other half after about an hour or so, and that seemed to work out pretty well.

On a side note, the same night I started taking suboxone, my wife and I seperated, and I'm now living at my mothers house. We've had problems for quite some time, and I know the drugs had something to do with that, but not all of it. Things just came to a head over the holidays and she asked me to leave. How's that for a show of support? LOL. I'm not sure what's going to happen with that situation, but I'm hoping for the best and trying not to let it get me down too much. I'm staying focused on getting clean and trying to get my life in order, part of that being my home life. Hopefully she will work with me in that regards. She was not very understand when it came to my addiction, though that was more out of spite due to my failure to "be there for her" when she was having a difficult time once before. She also doesn't seem to understand it at all as far as the physical addiction. Again, I'm hoping in time it's something we can talk about and I can explain things to her a little better. She's a pretty heavy drinker, and goes into defensive denial mode when I bring that up. That being said, maybe it's better that I'm not there during my "remission" (that's a great term to use, BTW). My parents are very, very supportive, so this is a good place for me. No stress, no tension.

So far I've found that I'm not thinking too much about the opiates. I don't have that physical ache and need for it, but I do have the mental want for it. Just remembering how good it made me feel. And after getting booted from my own house, something to make me feel good would be super right now. But I'm not going to do it. That would just be an excuse.

And to keep the musical aspect of the thread alive, I did take my guitar when I left. I got a Guitar Center gift card for Christmas, so I got a Pocket Rockit, which is a small device, about the size of a computer mouse that plugs into the guitar. It takes a 9 volt battery, and you can plug in an IPod and headphones to play along, or just headphones and it's like playing through an actual amp, without the amp and without bothering anyone around me. It's very cool. I hope to spend a lot of time practicing the guitar, so that will be my escape and something to keep myself busy with.

So, that's all for now. Thanks again for listening. It's great to be able to come on here and just let my feelings flow, especially since I'm feeling kind of alone right now, but I'll just use that as another motivating factor, and move forward one way or another.

Happy F'in New Year everyone. Sure has started in a strange way.


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