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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:47 am 
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I don't know what to put here, I have a story but the details are not that important to my end goal here. I want to be free of this fog and today is the day I start. There's 2mg left, I'll hold onto it for a while; I need to prove to myself that I can end my addiction.

4th time detox. 5 days max the three other times I tried. This time I'm armed with an arsenal of non-addictive medications and my doc is just a phone call away. For me, it was always the restlessness and most of all, the f-ing chills. I can't take the temperature swings so I waited until late may to jump.

I sold off what I had left in the packaging last week to sort-of finalize the plan. My girlfriend is bitching about my sleep pattern/disorder (not really sure until the subs are gone) so I'm going to do something about it. I'm not that concerned with how it works out with us... if she understands then great. If she's whining that I'm not around because I'm freezing my ass off, dripping in sweat, shitting all over myself... well, then oh well. I need to accept the possibility of her being gone when this is done right now to prevent relapse.

Started on 8mg. Why I started is of little importance at this point. I'm just along for the ride now.
I quickly tapered to 4; down to 2mg in 2 months, then water-taper .25mg every two weeks until i reached .5mg where I've been stuck at for the past year or so... fuckit. Oh also, 2mg klonpin daily for 5ish years now. GAD, or so they say...

I'll get a more detailed list of meds up when I'm zombified in w/d and can't do anything else, but for now I'm going to go enjoy the day and what little time I have left before all hell breaks loose in my brain. If anyone wants any more info on my situation, just ask and I'll post as good a log as I can.

I'm actually excited to get this over with, I'm just dreading the acute phase.

D-day -1
(just took another dose... yeah I'm ready for this haha) I should probably go flush all the tramodol I have... but I wont. Access to opiates is limited for me and it's for the better.
I'm thinking about giving my phone to my brother, or just deleting the phone numbers that can get me narcotics... but there is no point as there's always my neighbors and the heavenly gift of Facebook.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:51 am 
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Dday-3 0.8mg
Dday-2 0.8mg
Dday-1 0.5mg

(2mg over the past 3 days)

Last dose 0.5mg @ 5/21 3AM


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 2:33 pm 
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Hi weffy. What an amusing post. Your head seems to be in the right place. Know your not asking for any advice but your going to get it anyway :-)
Keep only a few tramadol just incase it gets unbearable, which im sure it wont. And delete those numbers!!! It just makes it that little bit harder to score. Good luck.


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Hi weffy. What an amusing post. Your head seems to be in the right place. Know your not asking for any advice but your going to get it anyway :-)
Keep only a few tramadol just incase it gets unbearable, which im sure it wont. And delete those numbers!!! It just makes it that little bit harder to score. Good luck.

I was always scared of the tramadol, glad you found success with them..... There was a guy on here many months ago who said his dr. gave him a large script for them and a taper plan for his last few subs. He asked if anyone had done this, and he did not get good responses. I told him I was curious to know how he did, but he never posted again. I am past that point now but I am glad they worked for you. First time I have seen someone post good positive success with them, most don't post again, don't know if that's good or bad.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 6:34 pm 
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welly I think your plan is great. I did not use the tramadol, but I have before for w/d, don't remember if they helped because I got trashed on dope im sure as soon as I could. I am on the klonipin too and some of this I don't know if I could have gotten over without them. I have been on them like8-10 years and its the one thing I don't abuse, strange. just stick thru it and you will be surprised. just wine and piss on here and listen to music, try and eat right, exercise, we were to help push you thru. Like subs said, get rid of the numbers, you got to be head strong.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:20 pm 
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+36hrs (give or take a few)

got a solid 12hr sleep last night, woke up feeling sluggish. Its just weird because normally when I dose so long before bed and wake up like that I go right for the nasal syringe. Everything is bearable right now, the stomach issue seem to be steadily increasing along with the chills and overall restlessness. Chills are the worst to bear, I don't mind downing a bunch of Gatorade and shitting my brains out constantly but you can't really relieve cold sweats by pooping.

Med list:
Fioricet (butalbital/acemetophin/caff) ???mg every 8hrs as needed qty40
Bentyl 20mg 3 times daily as needed qty 20
Flexeril 10mg every 8hrs as needed qty 14
Tramadol (not docs orders) 50mg qty~40

I'm gonna try out the flexeril and like you guys said, save the tramadol for a worst case scenario. This cocktail scares the bajeesus outta me, so even though I remember my doc stricly telling me to start taking one of them(don't remeber-doh!) the moment I stop subs... and even with the onset of symptoms; I'm reluctant to take anything foreign to my body with nobody home until late tonight.

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welly I think your plan is great. I did not use the tramadol, but I have before for w/d, don't remember if they helped because I got trashed on dope im sure as soon as I could. I am on the klonipin too and some of this I don't know if I could have gotten over without them. I have been on them like8-10 years and its the one thing I don't abuse, strange. just stick thru it and you will be surprised. just wine and piss on here and listen to music, try and eat right, exercise, we were to help push you thru. Like subs said, get rid of the numbers, you got to be head strong.

Yeah, I've been on kpins for as long as I can remember. That tapers starting as soon as possible. I guess it is stupid to count it the way I do... but I'm a scientific person. I've read so many w/d play by plays I don't know what to expect since they vary so much. I'll just keep at it and I'm sure after a few days when symptoms platoe I will stop counting. The meds are important to keep track of, so that is a sort of catch 22 I guess.


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subuser13years wrote:
Hi weffy. What an amusing post. Your head seems to be in the right place. Know your not asking for any advice but your going to get it anyway :-)
Keep only a few tramadol just incase it gets unbearable, which im sure it wont. And delete those numbers!!! It just makes it that little bit harder to score. Good luck.

I was always scared of the tramadol, glad you found success with them..... There was a guy on here many months ago who said his dr. gave him a large script for them and a taper plan for his last few subs. He asked if anyone had done this, and he did not get good responses. I told him I was curious to know how he did, but he never posted again. I am past that point now but I am glad they worked for you. First time I have seen someone post good positive success with them, most don't post again, don't know if that's good or bad.


tramadol binds to opiate receptors and is actually classified as a (partial?) agonist opiate. IMO, it's not something you want to take while detoxing. Sort-of a trade off i guess. I've taken them before when I was on percs and couldn't find anything else and they def. killed the w/d to a bearable level... but then again i think I took something like 300mg (long time ago, could be 200 :P)

Harder to score with those numbers? maybe. I remember last time I was doing the blood plasma calculations, which I found to be completely useless since the half life varies so widely.
Which reminds me... what can I do to speed things along? I don't care if it's worse... just faster. And may I add that I am contemplating a lawsuit just because of how much people get mislead about the reality of suboxone. 16mg a day? you've got to be kidding me


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:01 pm 
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Weffy wrote:
That tapers starting as soon as possible. I guess it is stupid to count it the way I do.

yea I thought of that too.......it a few months off.


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I love how google adchoice says "buy vicodin; 5mg percocet"


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Hopefully, this thread will help some people out in the future.

I took 150mg Tramadol @ +48
I feel 95%
Can't sleep, took another Fioricet as-well.

Keeping a symptom 1-10 and med log updated every 12-24hrs will post when I get it into excel.

In hindsight, I should've taken one, but now I know. Saving the rest; hopefully don't have to take them. 100mg/day max through day 10 then I'm flushing. Gone try 25mg tomorrow night with my cocktail to see how that works out. I don't want to be trading any kind of opiates here.

Stomach has not been an issue for me so far, I've pooped 6 times today, but no runs just loose stool.

Ha vent taken any bentyl or flexeril.

By far +53hrs in (3rd day, 2nd night nor me) is the inability to sleep. No RLS, which was a huge issue in prior attempts, but I'm just awake. It's hard to explain.


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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 2:39 am 
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+72 hrs

slept +52 to +61 (about 7am to 7pm)
slept great actually, woke up uneasy/achy/de-energized again; but after a couple hours of getting myself out of bed and moving (the tramadol helped I'm guessing) -- I felt a lot better.

overall so far, the basic defect in my will power/motivation/total energy is in the toilet. I need to force myself to get up, but it's really not that hard. I'd rather deal with this than cold sweats. I do know that the fioricet, the bit of xanax I took (.25), along with my usual .5mg AM/1.5mg PM klonopin dose isn't helping. 32oz red-bull also; and that's from a usual habbit of ~64-80oz a day the past few months.... once an addict always and addict

Feel totally fine. still. Its weird.
50mg tram @ +65
fioricet @ +72

Just waiting for that 3rd day brick wall I guess...


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I'm glad you are not feeling too badly...but I have a question; I could be wrong, but Isn't taking Tramaldol just replacing one drug for another? And I think I've read on this forum that it kinda messes up the detox and makes it harder later..?? Not judging , just trying to help :)


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I think rca is correct I am afraid weffy. When I suggested keeping a few for "emergencies" I meant keep 6 or so just incase one day gets so unbearable you just need a few hours relief. Not systematically taking a dose everyday!! You will just prolong the wds. Take it from some one who has 21 days (?) Under their belt and used a bit of tramadol during. Good luck.

Edit. It never got unbearable for me (I still took the tramadol though
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weffy, how are you doing


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Weffy wrote:
+72 hrs

slept +52 to +61 (about 7am to 7pm)
slept great actually, woke up uneasy/achy/de-energized again; but after a couple hours of getting myself out of bed and moving (the tramadol helped I'm guessing) -- I felt a lot better.

overall so far, the basic defect in my will power/motivation/total energy is in the toilet. I need to force myself to get up, but it's really not that hard. I'd rather deal with this than cold sweats. I do know that the fioricet, the bit of xanax I took (.25), along with my usual .5mg AM/1.5mg PM klonopin dose isn't helping. 32oz red-bull also; and that's from a usual habbit of ~64-80oz a day the past few months.... once an addict always and addict

Feel totally fine. still. Its weird.
50mg tram @ +65
fioricet @ +72

Just waiting for that 3rd day brick wall I guess...

oh yea and mabe it was just me but the energy drinks made me feel bad. They may just not be my taste I don't know, some of that stuff maybe be hindering feelings and effects you want to come back on their own. But hey if it works for you then roll with it.


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Yeah, 3 weeks of cold sweaty zombified hell.

I stopped the tramadol whenever I posted the last dose; came to the same conclusion that it was hindering my brains healing,


Don't really know why I did that, no excuses. I didn't have a craving or anything like that... my "friend" just busted out a wad of cash and a gram....... I didn't even give it a second thought,

Going back to my addiction specialist therapist lady person to figure that part out.

That's all for now. idk if I'll fall back into acute w/d since the fog just started lifting a few days ago, but I've cleared the next few days just in case. I feel disappointed with myself.


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Hey weffy! I get ya on the sweats. I hate them with a passion and finally, after 18 days sub free, I am either just getting used to being sweaty or they are easing up. It was my biggest complaint during detox.

I jumped at 2mgs with absolutely no comfort meds, and pretty much no otc stuff either and for me, I feel it was the best decision. My body adjusted naturally and I feel fantastic.

If you really really want to be clean and sober, dig deep and grab at it. Being so early in your detox, I would skip habging out with "friends" who arent supportive and toss H at you. Thats just gonna keepyou stuck where you are. Stagnant is no place to be. Even water that doesnt move forward becomes stagnant and yucky. Just my thoughts.

in order for us to grow and change, we have to do things that are down right uncomfortable for us. Thats a good thing, it means progress is being made. Alot of us are comfortable in our misery so to speak. Its all we know. Stepping out of that comfort zone Iis scary but exhilirating at the same time.

It does not matter if we fall 7 times, it just matters that we get up 8.


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In my opinion, tramadol is alright for the first week. As for my other actions... you're only hurting yourself.

Finally felt somethings besides nothing today.
Although I'm still sleeping super-sporadic; maybe due to meds.

How far are you in trainer14? No meds... I couldn't do that.

Speaking of which; +32 days no sub +4since my binge
Still taking flexeril and fioricet... mostly at night;

When can I test the waters non medicated to see what cool paws symptom I'm left with?


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Today is 23 days clean of subs! Almost a full month.Feeling good, fighting a bit of daily fatigue butI think its because my appetite is in the damn toilet and causing energy dips. I actually ate breakfast for the first time in years this morning before work and it did make a difference. Had to be up at 4:45 am to be at work for 6 am and powering through the 5 hour shift didnt suck as much.


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well the 1/2g of dope is not going to help you. You need to ditch these people who trigger you. when you want to be clean you will, and we will all be here clean to help you with advice. I have been clean for some time now, d man called my phone after I ditched the number after months, just laughed a rejected the call. not going there again 1 means 2, then 3,4,5, it never ends, and the consequences you pay for it.. just not worth it to me.


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