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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:19 pm 
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First, thanks for reading this . this may seem a little weird. Um I'm 30 years old and in nov. 2006 major car wreck, started taking lortab 10/500 qty.60 monthly. Im injured but not to the point of not working. also have two kids 4 year old girl and 18 month old boy, married for 5 yrs. wife no meds just tylenol. she doesnt have a problem with the lortab. just this month my doc decides to just say that he cant see me anymore cause i just have a sprain but he actually knows how bad the pain is. but i was on a 50 dollar a month plan a month but he charges like 125 a month so a bill account was setup. but now i have no doctor a have few meds left never went through lortab withdrawl. he is a sub doc but never asked me to taper or anything. like subox. im weired out like what am i gonna do. :roll:


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Your withdrawels my not be that bad if you only took 2 lortabs a day , You may be lucky, Welcome , Mike


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He is turning me down cause i owe him money, i will probally have to find a new doc . I dont want to withdrawl i know it will be bad


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also three months ago he changed my prescription to 7.5 500 qty.90 monthly its like hes doing it on purpose
i mean people who get it car wrecks and let me add a drunk driver pulled out in front of me. so its not my fault we cant sue him cause he has no money. it seems like he would continue to treat me for a full monthly doctor amount and erase a past debt.


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Jesse, welcome to the forum.

Jesse, you are the only person in the world who can answer this question, are you addicted to the hydrocodone? Do you take more than you are supposed to? Do you fight to make it to your next dose because your brain is telling you to take some right now? You need to be honest with yourself.

If you are NOT addicted then I'm with sullimi in saying you're not going to be in too bad of shape at all. 2 tabs a day is not too bad so don't sweat it.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:22 pm 
Yeah what the others said. 20mgs hyrdocodone per day is not going to be a bad withdrawal at all. You will feel crappy for 5 maybe 7 days at the most and then get better.


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Well i take as directed, but my app was supposed to be next week. i am in alot of pain and actually kinda have a physical job and my injuries are still ongoing. My pain levels are very high, how can a doc just take your medicine away and just walk out the door. It seems like he fires his patients as well as his staff like every year or so. Like i go in and ask wheres the secretary and they say we got a whole new staff, its really wierd. I really need pain meds, and have to be honest have a dependece on them as well, so what do i do suffer and be in pain or try to find another doc or try to get sub to kill painn and get off narcs or what do i do. I'm not very happy about my doc , but if he lets me go after two years plus what can i do.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:21 pm 
If you truly need it for pain I would search for a new doc that will keep Rxing hydrocodne. Getting on suboxone will not help your pain at all if you are like me. And also suboxone would be a huge step up from 20mgs hydrocodone a day in terms of potency so you would be setting yourself up for a stonger dependancy in the long run. If you just have a sprain though it may be hard for you to find a doc willing to Rx opiates unfortunately. I ruptured a tendon in my ankle a few years back and am still in constant pain when I walk (if a situation arose to where I had to run to save my life I would end up dead as I cant even run anymore) and no doctor would Rx even hyrdos for me when i actualy needed them. Hope you find a good doc though.


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Thanks for the info, didnt know it was so potent, I would like to get off hydros but its the only thing that helps. I will look for a family doc that will help me just will have to be without for a while. But i def, dont want anything that will make me more dependant, if I were i would be going really crazie. So I will keep looking this week. Thanks so much for info I am just in a tight spot.


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I'm afraid the pain medicine game is stacked against us. Like your finding out with your Dr.

There are so many reasons you run into crappy pain med doctors, I feel most of the stupidity we have to endure from the health care community is a gross lack of understanding and greed, which does nothing to help your current situation.

I wish I had a good answer for you Jesse? I wonder would your family doctor Rx you until you can find another pain Dr.?

Hopefully, some other members of the forum will be able to offer up better advice, sorry dude.


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OK he says its not about the monie but then i ask his billing dept and they say yea if you wrote us a check for lets say x amount you would be good to go. Then he tells her not to talk to patients. ok yea its not about the monie. :lol: I have the monie to pay him but I WILL NOT he can send it to collections. I will find someone else. Not tapering patients or just ct is not just in my opinion if i were a doc noone would have to ct unless i died :lol:


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I hear ya, man.


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Hey man I know your pain I was on 200mgs of oxy a day for a few years for a serious injury and still have high pain levels. But there are def a good amount of people on this forum that take suboxone for pain management one being myself, and it def helps with pain. If you are only taking 20mgs of hydro codone a day and that works for you them I’m willing to go as far and say then suboxone will most likely work very well for your pain. I mean I can’t tell you to stop taking pain killers but I can tell you the longer you are on them the harder its goanna be to get off them. And long term on suboxone is a lot better then long term painkiller use. When I was on oxy my whole mood life was altered everyday you may not realize it now but if you stop them and go on sub you will notice a big difference in your life. And its for the better.
Either way please keep us posted on what your goanna do!


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 Post subject: me too bboy
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Ive been in pain years and pain killers always helped for about four hours and on top of that they ruined my life. Suboxone helps my pain all the time and enables me to live a happy life. My opinion would be if you could find a way to try a super low dose from a doctor somehow when you are ready. Im talking just take one milligram or less of what they prescribe(enless they watch you take it at the office).im no doctor so if i were in your shoes and you couldn't taper off the hydros and make it ok then i would recommend this because i have tapered off sub and didn't have any withdraw whatsoever by going s l o w l y. Good luck


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Ive been in pain years and pain killers always helped for about four hours and on top of that they ruined my life. Suboxone helps my pain all the time and enables me to live a happy life. My opinion would be if you could find a way to try a super low dose from a doctor somehow when you are ready. Im talking just take one milligram or less of what they prescribe(enless they watch you take it at the office).im no doctor so if i were in your shoes and you couldn't taper off the hydros and make it ok then i would recommend this because i have tapered off sub and didn't have any withdraw whatsoever by going s l o w l y. Good luck


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jesse i started on pain killers and it was leading me into a bad way of heavier drugs .but i seen what was happening and forced myself to go get help after time i was able to clean up and be a person living a normal life once again . its not easy but you can do it. and shame on the doctor for what he has done im sorry for you. but like i said you can walk away have you thought about pain treatment specialists?


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In my opinion, if the lortab works and you have objective medical findings (something that can be seen, felt, or measured independent of your self report) then you should be able to find a doctor to prescribe lortab for you. You say you are concerned about becoming "more dependent". Dependency and addiction are not the same thing. Dependency is a side effect of all opiates when used long term for pain. There is no way around it. So just as the doctor just increased your dose, this was probably done because this is what happens with long term use. Your body eventually gets used to the drug and you will require more of it to resolve the pain. Addiction occurs when you start taking it for reasons other than prescribed and you start engaging in behaviors that are unhealthy and hurtful to yourself and others. If you aren't there, then I suspect your doctor didn't prescribe suboxone because he doesn't think you are an addict and suboxone is for addiction, not so much dependency. Suboxone will without a doubt INCREASE your dependency. You can taper from it more easily than lortab most likely, but unless you want OFF the lortab and off all pain meds, I am not sure suboxone is right for you. It may resolve your pain. I take it for pain and it works fairly well most of the time. But I also got addicted to pain killers. Once you take suboxone, you can't take other pain killers for pain and have them work. So if you get in a car accident again, no pain killer will touch that pain if you start taking suboxone. Now if you want to try a very small dose of suboxone for a week to three weeks tapering slowly to get off of it and just use it for detox, that might be appropriate but only if you no longer want pain meds at all. Otherwise, there is no point.

I agree that only you can make this decision. The withdrawal from 1-2 lortabs per day may very well be livable if that is what you want to do. Just be sure to think about this VERY hard and find a doctor to discuss this with before making the decision to go on suboxone. Right now you are only afraid you "may" have withdrawal. You also "may" not have any either. Why go on sub if you wouldn't get withdrawal anyways?

I suspect your doctor is concerned about prescribing for a "sprain" for this length of time. If there are no objective findings, he could be accused of getting you addicted solely for the purpose of putting you on suboxone and making money off of you. Those who prescribe sub are under a microscope. It may not be the money. But if you owe him money, I suggest paying it unless I misunderstood somewhere. Whether you are mad at him or not, if he provided the service, you owe the money. Your doctor may be trying to do you a favor right now and you don't know it. He may see where you are headed and he may believe you are better off learning to live with the pain now, or changing occupations so you don't require long term pain meds, than becoming totally addicted to them. They aren't always very good at being totally honest with the patients. He may want you to think about where you are at and the situation you are in. He may be watching to see if you are addicted, i.e. how do you react or behave to not being prescribed any longer. You may want to see if you can set an appointment with him not for a script but just to talk. If you are extremely honest with him about how you feel and where you are at, maybe he will respond in kind. Who knows.

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Just to start, I did find another md who would prescribe me 10/500 x 2 so thankful! unfortunaltly had to change jobs as mentioned above, just could not take it any more 3 yrs plus, so the 20 mgs a day is making my life alot better i was with out a doc for quite a while. I did not look into seeing another doc until awhole until I could be seen so. Not so sure why my old md would not prescribe me anymore. I guess he didnt relate so much to me. My new md is great not treating me like a drug addict, understanding that my need is legit. And actually glad that it happened becuase the new office is quite nicer and so much more professional than old. actually do not feel like dirty trash walking into his office its so clean and new maybe the old doc is bummed about his life he never smiled and was kinda dirty. And Btw who fires his staff every 6 mths to one year. kinda odd well heres my reply i hope that this little story heplps a few good people. just remember that if your current md is always being rude or fishy you can go elsewhere.


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[[font=Century Gothic]size=12]*Jesse* I haven't had a chance to reply to your posts about your dilemma with your in my opinion"scumbag,unethical, nonprofessional,greedy,uncaring"MD! But I have been rooting for you and praying that you quickly found a new MD that would prescribe you adequate pain medicine, not too much not too little, because as the rest of my wonderful "recovery family" advised you and i whole heartedly agreed i truly thought you were merely dependent and not addicted and that suboxone as wonderful as it is was not the right road for you. So i was delighted to hear what choice you made and that the road you chose in the end lead you to a wonderful MD that you seem to feel much more comfortable with and whom you seem to have a greater re-pore with. There are no coincidences in life!!!!BTW FYI what you previous MD did by abandoning your care without releasing you to another MD for treatment due to lack of financial payment is extremely "ILLEGAL" I'm a NJ State Certified Paramedic and sadly i see this all the time and what he did is called"Patient Abandonment" and he can surely be suspended from his practice or if this is not his first offense which i'm betting its not he could damn well lose his license, so just keep that in mind for a rainy day or god for bid if you begin doubting yourself or think you did anything wrong. You did not an MD cannot refuse to treat you because you cannot pay them any they cannot throw you out on your ass like that and cut all your scripts off without warning they have to give you a 30day supply and a certified letter telling you that they will keep you on as a patient for the following 30days until you find another MD and then they have to give you a list of referring MD's to get you started thats the law!! [/size][/font]

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