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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:17 pm 
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This is my first post.
Maybe I'll start a new Thread because I did what seems like no one here has.

I've been on and off opiates for 9 years. I just turned 26. I've been mostly off and was on suboxone once before for 18 months and now I'm coming off 8mg for the past 10-11 months.

I jumped off 8mg to 0mg and I don't want to hear about how dangerous that is or whatever. I appreciate all advice but I set my mind to this and I'm going to come out of it.

I went to a new doctor because the sub doc wanted to keep me on subs "indefinitely." I said Fuxk you I quit, and here I am 12 days in...

I started feeling withdrawal 12 hours in so I don't know if I'm weird or anything. I do know we're all different physiologically and I have a fast metabolism and I am one strong soldier.

Anyway this is what it's been like:

Day 1 w/d begins and I buckle up for the ride.

Day 2 I acquire some clonodine and Immodium. These meds saved me from the worst of it.

Day 3 sneezing, restless, tired, low blood pressure. I'm just happy I'm not sweating with chills I hate that the most.

Day 4 same ole same ole. Starting eating real foods and I've stayed hydrated. Hard to sit up and feel like passing out when I use restroom. Somehow I pushed myself to go to the gym and swim for 30 mins and sauna steam room for another 30. It made me feel great.

Day 5 Lethargy, LBP, anxious, tired, blah. Only thing keeping me going is hope for the future.

Day 6 Read somewhere that spicy foods & pain produce natural opioids so I went and got a huge tattoo on the most painful part of the body, rib cage and stomach.
I felt good when it was over and I slept pretty well.

Day 7 I honestly don't remember much it was ok I guess but still feeling most of the same stuff. I went to the doctor and he was shocked at how well I looked and was doing. I just want to say that the mind is powerful.

Day 8 I woke up feeling worse today and I'm still feeling shitty.
I think it may be because I stopped taking as much Immodium and Immodium is an opioid. I FORCED myself to work and it HURRRTTTT. Told boss I was sick he said man up and i did... 14 hours on my feet serving people.

Day 9 recovering from yesterday.

Day 10 I stopped taking so much clonodine. I heard there's a withdrawal and I don't know if it's prolonging my detox? Someone please let me know if it is or isn't, thank you! I was taking upwards of .6 mg at first and Now I'm taking .1. No Immodium either.

Day 11 FML. At least I can stand up without feeling like passing out but the body is hurting and I'm tired.

Day 12 I finally got some sleep and talking to friends is giving me back my much needed motivation. I need to need to get back to work ASAP. Like I said before the mind is powerful and I plan on going back in 2 days.

Let me know what y'all think.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:15 pm 
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I went CT off of 16mg almost 3 years ago. For me the worst of it was the first three weeks, and I started feeling a LOT better at 60 days. I'm in my 40's, so at 26 you might bounce back much faster. The desire to use did come back, so I got involved with NA again. I would suggest some kind of ongoing recovery program and support. As much as it may by hard to believe now, the physical withdrawals are the easy part.
I wish you the best. Keep us posted on how you're doing.


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Wow, 16mg? I guess that would be twice as bad as my experience? Hard to imagine anything worse.

I'm growing very concerned because at day 13 I still think of seeing a suboxone prescriber to obtain a low dose prescription and taper off like everyone else seems to have done.

I just couldn't find the willpower to take less. 8mg felt good and 4mg didn't as much so why would I take less? For some reason it's a bit difficult to see into the future
Sometimes.

Anyway at Day 13 I definitely definitely feel better. I woke up with an upset stomach and some
Chills but I've had that even prior do the detox.

I was frightened because I took .25 mg of clonodine yesterday for the first time in a couple days and when I got Up to drink some water I feel backwards and hit me
Head on the wall. I've never blacked out and fallen before.
Aside from that, I slept well and I keep sneezing 3 times in a row.

I feel so nasty laying around in bed and not doing my chores so I might knock that out
Today. It just doesn't seem like a normal
Thing to do, my body is hurting.


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Sounds like you are doing good.. I could never do that but I'm a 43 yo mom with very little will power.. At any rate.. Everyone is different. I had a friend who jumped from 16 mg as well.. She was in bed for two weeks on her death bed but made it through and now she's 100%..


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I think you'll do fine considering your age. At 26, the body will bounce back fairly quickly so you should be good in a few weeks.

What you need to think about is how are you going to manage your life w/o opiates or some other addictive drug? Yes, many have gone cold turkey and did alright. But give it some thought anyway. Go to some meetings and see if that is up your alley or not. Some like it, some don't.

So give us an update. How are you feeling?

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I jumped at around .125 mg/day, and i don't think i did myself much of a favor by waiting so long.

If you're this far into your jump, you might as well see it through. It's going to suck for a bit, but probably won't be as bad as you fear, and you'll find out that you're tougher than you thought you were.

FWIW i'm celebrating 18 months off subs today, and have not only not touched any drugs or alcohol since my jump day, i've had no cravings to use either, which is amazing. You're going to look back on this period, and be very thankful that you went through it.

Good luck.

-- JI

P.S. Hey Rule, hope you're keeping well.

P.P.S. Spicy foods are apparently a very bad thing during a detox, you want to avoid anything that causes inflammation (including red meat) as much as possible. You also want to binge on vitamins and other nutritional supplements; there's some good stuff on the web on this topic. For endorphins, exercise works wonders, even if it seems like starting a workout is going to kill you. I swam every day right after my jump, and i always felt way better when i came out of the pool.

P.P.P.S. Like Lilyval said, getting into a recovery program of some sort is important, especially if you've used drugs/subs for a while. I'm into 12 step as well, not just going to meetings and getting a sponsor, but working the steps daily, and sponsoring newcomers myself as much as i can.

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Way to go JI! I'm glad to hear that you're doing well and are using other tools to stay in recovery! For the folks that feel it is necessary to be off suboxone your story is one of hope and encouragement. To the original poster, try to ride out this tough part! Like Lilly says, the first 3 weeks are the toughest and you're 2/3 of the way there. You can do this!

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I had to jump at 8mg due to poor life decisions and was off for 22 days and got a new doctor. You're through the worst of it as you can prolly tell yourself. It's a long detox but super mild compared to any other opiate. I've come off heroin habits as big as 7 grams a day so Buprenorphine detox really barely phased me. Lots of restless legs tho. Clonidine does have a withdrawal syndrome but it's a rebound effect meaning your blood pressure will get much higher for a period of time after you stop taking it. It doesn't give you an opiate type withdrawal though, you're just feeling the weird, long detox from Suboxone. The passing out could very well be caused by using the clonidine actually. It's given in the early stages of detox because our blood pressure tends to spike when coming off opiates. By now your blood pressure is most likely back to normal so when you take the clonidine your blood pressure is probably getting too low which can cause you to faint, light-headedness, blurred vision, tiredness, etc. You should really stop taking it. I take .01mg of clonidine with other blood pressure meds and I have extremely high blood pressure. It should only be used in the first few days of detox unless it's prescribed to you for hypertension. I would bet money it's why you passed out. Anyway good luck and now that you're off Suboxone make sure to find some outlet that makes life okay without using medication, legal or otherwise!


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