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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:20 pm 
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I just copied and pasted what I wrote for my introduction. Newlife91516↓
40mg methadone to suboxone! :S Last dose Thursday at noon
Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:12 pm
Hello! I'm new life 9/15/16. Prefer to not say my name :P ok so I've been clean from heroin for 5 months. Using methadone. Did not have much support in the begining so I was still using until I got to 60mg once a day. Then I met my current boyfriend who is on subs and has been clean from heroin for over 5 years and takes 1mg twice a day. I'm so done with the daily drives to the clinic and what topped it off was my 3 clean UA's, all the classes (use a condom, info on methadone, pregnancy, etc...), counselor promising me she would push me into stage 2 to get another take home and guess what.. She forgot. So here I am, 28 years old and last dose at noon today 9/15/16. My boyfriend and I have been doing research after he told me I can switch from done to box. Have read all the inductions from done to box on this site and everywhere else but decided to join here and share my journey with everyone to help others and maybe get some support too :). This forum is my journal so I will be writing everything down. My boyfriend is writing everything down that I eat and drink starting today. This post is all over the place, sorry I'm nervous about this whole thing. He will be with me for 6 days before returning back to work.
---I am doing this at home--- better than last time in jail..
What I have to help with the withdrawal:
Suboxone 8mg films, from expensive and far doctor visit, for induction
Clonidine .3mg pills. Doc said to break them in half, I have what I think is way too many @ 60
Soma 500?mg @10 from previous prescription (have read mixed reviews on taking soma while in methadone withdrawal.)
Phenobarbital 100mg pills from doc @10
Adderall 10mg I take it for work. Not sure if I will be implementing it into this induction/detox.
I will be able to sleep through the night tonight but probably not tomorrow.
I will be writing down every part of this journey with what I'm eating (if I can), fluids, vitamins, medications, times etc. So please feel free to keep checking in. I'm going to post this in the induction part of the forum.
Questions? Concerns? Positive feedback :) are all welcome.

Also I do not drink or do any other drugs besides vape THC and PO (take by mouth) adderall 10mg twice a day.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:28 pm 
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Boyfriend will be using COWS to score me as I would score myself at 25 Friday night and go into full blown precipitated wd haha! Ahhhhhh!!!

Writing down EVERYTHING as this is my new journal, so it's going to be everything I'm doing and going through.
Thursday 12pm zero(0) hours.

•24oz water
•2 smoothies big mason jar (3 bananas, pineapple, strawberries, water)
•5 item (vegan Jamaican amazingness- kale greens, rice, run dung, lentil stew, curry potatoes)
•1/2 banana
•1-1/2 cup oatmeal (real rolled oats with 1tbs almond butter, all organic, 1 sliced banana)
•organic gluten free granola bar


2pm 10mg adderall
6pm 10mg adderall
9:22 feeling OK knowing that what I'm feeling now is nothing compared to what I will be feeling in the hours to come.
11:00 home from work. Brought one dog for a walk around the block. Walking the other now. Total probably a mile.
11:25 staying positive, have been all day :)


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:29 am 
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Hi Newlife91516,

Considering I have no experience about methadone I won't even try to give an opinion. Don't be too surprised if members give you a bit of a hard time about the benzo's and the fact that they came from the street. What we advocate here is doing it all legally and honestly through a Suboxone doctor. We also know that it is hard to find one that has a slot open so there is only so much a person can do to get clean on their own.

The main issue is how you feel about being completely off opiates. Do you have any recovery program to help you or some kind of addiction specialist to guide the way? We want you to succeed in this but your post is filled with so many drugs that it makes it hard to comment. My hope is one of our resident doctors will respond to your post and give their opinion. Only you know if you'll get addicted to the benzo's. Those with addict minds tend to get addicted to anything that changes their mood. But you know you best.

What I did do though was delete your other thread in Introductions. It was either move this one into that section or just delete it. You don't need two of the same message. This one will suffice.

I wish you well on your recovery path.

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Hello and thank you! The benzos I deleted from my first post since they were bought "off the street" ( they were my boyfriends old script for them) that's fine if people have an opinion about it. The subs are from a doctor and I have a whole recovery plan and support group/plan in place. So!-
Friday 12pm 24 hours no methadone!
I feel OK! Just cold and a little withdrawalish.
•1 cup water
•1 banana
•d3 1000ui? Vitamin
•B complex vitamin
•magnesium, calcium, zinc vitamin
[update] 5:00pm 29 HOURS NO METHADONE cold and little uneasy.
•smoothie 1-1/2 bananas ~1 cup pineapple and ~1 cup blueberries. In a big mason jar
•sprouted whole grain bread/toast with almond butter and sliced bananas on top with cinnamon on top mmm!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:29 pm 
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33 hours.
Thought I would be a lot worse than this by now.
•3 Advil at 6:30
•cup of smoothie
•banana
•1/4 of a .3mg (.075mg) clonidine at 7:00 the Advil and clonidine kicked in around the same time. Sweat through my clothes. Just changed feel much better with new dry clothes on.
:S I can feel it coming

Also, boyfriend took vitals not sure what they mean, anyone want to chime in? This was before the clonidine.
121 sys
75 dia
86 pul

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Bf made vegan Mac and cheese. Eating a bowl of it now. We're both vegan.
•2 Advil
•cal, mag, zinc vitamin (2)


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:10 pm 
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Saturday 1:00 pm
Actually slept last night from 2-10!! Thanks clonidine. Woke up drenched in sweat. Slept on and off until bf woke up.
•.075 clonidine
•1 big mason jar smoothie. 1-1/2 bananas 1 cup pineapple 1 cup strawberries.
•pure usp grade ascorbic acid (vit c)
•b complex
•d3
•cal mag zinc

Still feel like there's a lot of methadone still in my body. Going to drink more and take a long bath
Will edit with COWS and blood pressure info.

UPDATE: Why am I not in full blown wd?! COWS @ 12 (I assessed myself and the bf did also. Both came out with 12 :0
Took 3 advil
1/4 .3mg clonidine 10:30 am and 2:45 pm
Also took one 10mg adderall around 4,5? That gave me a bit of energy.
Ate a full meal. Vegan chili, sweet potatoes scallion cakes with sautéed veggies.
Drank 4+ cups of water

Don't get me wrong I do not feel great but I would have thought I would be way worse by now. Couldn't have worked yesterday or today by any means. Bf and I went to the mall to get a book and picked up this cool adult coloring book (fancy designs nothing "adult only")
Making toast with almond butter and bananas.
Have not taken clonidine since 2:45 but I'm pretty sure it's the adderall giving me the energy.

I'm worried about switching over to suboxone, which was supposed to happen Monday (2days). I have to return back to work Thursday and it's going to be busy. Very busy at work. Thanks :) :S :/ ?:-/

Edit. I will be taking over writing stuff down for her as she asked me to.
1:30am took 50mg phenobarbital
.15 clonidine
3 Advil
All taken with food and water.
She was crying in bed and I just held her. Then she fell asleep!? Woke her up to make her blow her nose and stayed up for 2 hours to watch her breathing and pulse while she slept. All were fine so I passed out. I never took methadone but am astonished she slept.


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SUNDAY 74 HOURS NO METHADONE
She slept last night from 3am-10am. I'm writing stuff down for her here from now on. I will try and edit the post from yesterday if I can have her show me how. To add the meds for sleep.
She woke me up fresking oit.
I gave her .15 clonidine and 3 Advil along with a banana and two cups water.
Says the Advil helped the pain somewhat and the clonidine helped to give her some relief of RLS anxiety and hot/cold flashes. But is begging me to help her... I don't like that her doctor gave her phenobarbital. I looked around for info on interactions between clonidine and pheno and came up with nothing solid.
COWS @21 some things on the chart are high where some are low.

update. Last night was a lot worse. And yesterDAY.
I gave her .15mg clonidine every 4 hours
600mg Advil every 6
50mg pheno at 1am (we work second shift so our schedule is different from everyone else's.
She fell asleep at 1:30. Stayed up to watch her breathing and pulse rate. All were good. She woke up crying at 3 and could not go back to sleep. Maybe should have gave her 100mg pheno? Gave her .15 clonidine at 5am. She slept on and off. Serious discomfort.


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MONDAY 2pm 98 HOURS NO METHADONE!!

About 11am she could not sit still. Jumping out of skin. Crawling skin. Extreme agitation.

With the Advil and clonidine I cannot seem to gauge her score... If she was not on them like around 11am then she would be in severe withdrawal.

SHOULD I START THE SWITCH TO SUBOXONE?!?!?
Doctor said start with 2mg. I have been on sub for over 5 years and in no way shape or form am I going to start her on 2mg for her first dose. No way no how. .5mg every hour until.

Help please. Anyone??


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:29 pm 
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It's definitely ok to switch to Suboxone now.
I made the transition from 43mg of methadone to Suboxone after 80 hours and the transition was very smooth. I took 2mg, waited an hour.. took 2 more and I felt great. I went from bedridden to outside cooking on the grill...
Taking all the stuff she's taking, she'll never hit a 26 on the cows.


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Ghost thank you so much!! She has been maintained on 38-39 for a week and 40 a week prior. 1mg drop per week. She's taking a hot bath atm. I'm going to start her on .5mg first and not 2 just in case. I've put myself in pw too many times before when I was "so sick".. I've been reading for the past 5 hours about clinical research and studies from the switch and was thinking about it but that's what I needed some reassurance. Thank you. Will keep this updated.
Made fresh carrot Apple ginger juice. Big mason jar. Smoothie - bananas pineapple mango water. Toast almond butter banana cinnamon.
Going to give her .5mg at 4:30


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Your welcome. Let us know how the induction goes.
I'm here if you have any questions. I just went thru the same thing as her. Peace


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4:45 .5mg 1/16th film taken under tongue.

5:00 no change (not worse)

5:10 she's passed out.... Lol?! I did wake her and she is well but this is just weird. Did give her the bigger half of clonidine closer to 2/3 so .2mg clonidine. When I woke her up I asked if she felt different. She said no. So that's good. Meaning no pw.

5:30 passed out still. Breathing is good. Pulse is 20@15seconds so 80 pulse. I guess no pw or she would be wide awake crawling upside down on her hands all over the furniture. This is the last thing I'd have expected. Going to continue to let her sleep. Wake her up at 5:45-6 and give her .5 more. Anyone else ever had this happen or read anything like this?

6:20 .5mg suboxone. Ran the dog for almost an hour. Came back in she was on the couch sleeping just in a different position. Took her pulse which was at 60. She's sitting up now with the sub under her tongue. Asked how she felt and said " I don't know, my back hurts". Looking good as of now. Will keep updating incase anyone is following.

7:20 she's feeling better. Less back pain. Less pain in general. Less anxiety. No Advil in over 7 hours. Giving another .5mg now. Looking good!!!

9:00 talking! And way less restless. Hungry. Ate big bowl of rice and Indian veggie thing. She's sweating a lot which she was not before but says she's feeling better. Asked at 8:30 after noticing her body language do an almost 360° maybe 90° change. No 360's yet.

10:20 feeling better and better. She's reading and explaining to me a book she's reading

11:30 .5 more subs

1am .5 more subs total 2mg
.15 clonidine


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Good morning Newlife, I am anxious to hear how the night went! I am praying that the suboxone took over and you are starting to feel like your "normal" self again! I do have one question...did you say thc via vape? thc???


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I'm following too-- hope you let us know how things are going. Going from methadone is always a challenge, and so the information you're providing will help other people doing the same thing!


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Hey everyone! My girl is doing great she slept through the night from 3am-10:30 with only .15 clonidine and the combined 2mg subs. Gave her .5mg when she woke up only because I didn't have a film folded and portioned. But folded it up so there were 8 squares 1mg ea and gave her one. She said she's feeling better. I can tell she is. Attitude is positive. Did her hair. I asked if she could go to work today and she said "maybe, probably if I took an adderall" I've read that the equivalent of about 40mg methadone is equal to 4mg sub. Is that correct? I also told her she'll probably need over 4mg to start out and her body will slowly need less subs as the done leaves her body. But she wants to take as minimal as possible... I'm not worried about relapse or anything of that nature but am concerned about being on such a low dose and feeling like crap. Thoughts? Questions? I will be continuing to write down her progress here since she lost interest and this is something I like doing especially if I can help someone else out.

Michelle- yes the state we are in has medical marijuana dispensaries. She has a Ecig and you can buy the top cartridge with an eliquid THC in it. It's legal state wise with a medical card just not on a federal level. It's very stealthy and she can medicate literally anywhere without having to worry about someone smelling it. Wouldn't in a restaurant or anything since it still smells. I do not partake in that since I get random drug tests for work and they're FAA/DOT drug tests. Her stomach is messed up from using drugs in the past and THC helps with her stomach pain and nausea. Her doctor had to put it in as back pain from a previous auto accident. Maybe she won't need that in the future which would be cool.

TUESDAY 120+ hours no methadone!!
• .5mg then 1mg suboxone. Nothing else! Around 11am
1mg around 3pm
2mg around 7pm
.075mg clonidine midnight

She feels good and is helping out with stuff around the house. Only complaint is her back hurts. She's a lot less cloudy than when she was on methadone.


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Hi, Well I would think that the vaping would also help with all the withdrawl symptoms as well. I am so happy to hear that she is doing fairly well and it sounds like she may be through the worst of it, at least I hope so! Please continue to update us and let us know how she is doing!


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I hadn't touched cannabis in 8 years but I am now using it to help the withdrawals during my taper. It's a godsend for sleeping and for quieting the voices in the head telling me to just take a sliver extra of sub to feel better. CBD strains work better than THC strains. I use a tincture. A few drops under the tongue and I'm good. I also vape cannabis oil with a vape pen. Cannabis is a miracle drug. So much better for you than the horrible benzos during a taper.


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And my sub doc fully agrees and is on board with it:)


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Nice! A sub doc who agrees with you! I personally have mixed feelings about marijuana. I have seen people smoke it recreationaly for years without a problem. I have also heard and seen cases of it acting as a gateway drug. So I have come to the belief of a genetic predisposition for addiction. Sounds like you are doing very well! Hope it keeps up! Please keep posting!


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WEDNESDAY! Officially discharged from the clinic. Guess after 5 days you're kicked off the program and takes 30 days? To get back on from what the girl told me. Anyways things are going very well. We talked about a lot of stuff last night for 3 hours which was good. Says her mind is so much clearer on suboxone compared to when she was on methadone. I definitely notice a difference. She slept through the night which was great. Woke me up at 11:30 and I took my 1mg square and gave her 2mg. An hour later we were making smoothies and getting food ready for my work. I asked how she was doing and she said "ok but my back hurts from my accident, now I'm remembering being clean and having to deal with this pain, but! My other injury does not hurt at all which it did last time"
She is trying to take the minimal dose possible... I told her do not try to get down to where I am on suboxone because I'm at the equivalent of less than 10mg methadone. You'll be there eventually but for now you need more to override the methadone leaving your body and once you start feeling better you won't need as much suboxone. The doctor prescribed her 8mg per day but is taking bare minimum which scares me. I think she's thinking if she takes the bare minimum to feel JUST OK that it will be fine. I told her don't kill yourself, you should be taking enough to barely feel any of the withdrawal symptoms from methadone and also if you're not taking enough your mind can wonder and start thinking about using. Which could lead to a relapse. Not sure...
•11:30 2mg
•6:40 1mg
•8:00 1mg
Physically says she still feels some of the wd and is not 100% more like 80% and her back hurts.
Mentally all of her emotions are coming out all at once, which is what it is. She either writes down her thoughts or tells me. Sad/mad she was mean to everyone while tapering down from methadone, coworkers and family especially. I told her actions speak louder than words. Show everyone that's not how you are, anyone who has gone through wd or a taper (same thing pretty much) is irritable.
Will be keeping this updated also :)


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